To *A* from KC asking about the few complaints from the office personell or outlet store, I believe it is because this site is popular only with a few select employees. That is why I keep asking IBC to have it removed before everyone finds out about it. I believe they are going to take it from the current owners in a few weeks. We should all email IBC to hurry and get this site down.

For the person looking for the thriftstore in the DFW area________call this number:(817) 284-9448_________ Wonder Bread & Hostess Cakes, 836 W. Pipeline Rd, Hurst, TX. For "Harry", eating the out-of-date Ring Dings____for God's Sake, we don't use that much persevatives ____if you are eating something in late November with an expiration date of OCT 23, you best look for mold before biting down!

I have noticed that few of the complainants are currently working in either the offices or the outlet stores and wonder(no pun intended) why?

I have been an employee of IBC for 4 years. I like my job. After reading all the comments their must be something wrong with me. This is the best job I have ever had after working 21 years in food service that was my other job. I am happy with IBC. Any feed back?

Just got this months Money magazine and IBC is not one of the companies to watch in "2004". Can we get SOAR working on this instead of posting jobs for another layer of misguided management. You would not believe the questions this layer is asking, stuff that they should know before even asking. I really can't believe it and this is the group thats going to guide us to prosperity.

Hello mr Stumble, yes there are a lot of negative things from the employees on this site and they seem to come from certain areas, not too many employees know about this, only a few i know talk about it. wait until it gets really popular, ibc will have to do something than,.

If he don't have a set of fingers, how the hell is he going to sign his reprimand?

Lets do a hand check here, everyone start counting fingers. We have another employee that does not have a full set of fingers. Another major accident, Let pull up a chair and discuss this over hamburgers and hotdogs.

I happened to stumble across your website, when looking for the "REAL" home of I.B.C. It is highly disappointing to see such a widespread negative opinion of the company, by it's employees in the Central and Eastern division, as well as Southern California. It was even more disappointing to read some of the comments requesting others to essentially jump on the "discrimination bandwagon." For those employees who have requested such, ( including one who obviously forgot our plant is located in Lakewood, not Tacoma, Wa. ) if you have legitimately been wronged by the company, why would you need to search out other plaintiffs for a lawsuit? I would think if your evidence was substantiated enough to warrant such a decision on your behalf, you could go it alone. Have you even attempted to resolve your issues with management before issuing your lawyer a retainer fee? Myself and many of my fellow employees feel actions such as these are the reason this company is struggling as much as we are. This is also leading to a workplace with moral issues, and dissention amongst it's employees. I.B.C. as a whole will obviously be undergoing some major changes as they go through the "Project S.O.A.R. Program." Can anyone who has responded on this website say that what we are currently doing as a company is working? I think a change is definately in order, and long overdue. Obviously we are all awaiting how, or if, these changes will affect our livelihood. Maybe it's time to stop the bitching, and start voicing opinions towards to making a difference in the company, and our livelihood.

We were informed this week that this Co. is going to a new timecard system. I think this latest idea from the SOARS people is going to really turn this Co. around.Gimme a break,if we were doing good I could see implementing a new time card system.But we're not and this Co. needs a hell of alot better ideas than this to get us back in the black.Looks like IBC just threw away $50 million. This SOARS program was a bad idea from the start. Just give your sales force the tools and let them go at it.See, there's an idea and I won't charge you anything for it.

Couple hundred dollars___are you kidding me?________I'm loving this site so much, I'll give them $500 to keep it up.

Hello good employee...ibc must be afraid of the owners of this site. otherwise they would file suit to have it removed. But they are missing a good opportunity because this site is listed #1 in all the search engines, all they have to do is give the owners a couple hundred dollars and they will probably take it. then they can replace this site with theirs and they will be listed first. does that make too much sense?

Ms. Transport Driver , and all others who believe this site is good: It is not good for the employees, stockholders. consumers and really not good for the upper management. We should all write in to KC and ask them to get this site away from the people who are running it. Just think how much lost sales we have had since people started reading these posts.

Mark Cooper you the manager at pomona, why you say you from LA? You don't tell me what to do, you not my boss!

LeRoy Gonzales, don't cut off your cake, I will be picking up every little store and gas station for you to serve. I also will be picking up all the gas stations on your route. And I will be on your case to make sure you serve them daily and I want NO OVERTIME !!!!!

"grammer"? Is that anything like grammar? I promise to work on my "grammer" if you promise to work on your spelling!

Hey LeRoy Gonzales, you were nice enough to give your name and location to the company, why not take it a step further and give them your route number. If I were you I would CUT off all my cake for the next month or so because you will be getting a MASS PLUS in the next few weeks. YOU IDIOT.

Hey LeRoy Gonzales, Good thing you let the company know in advance that you were gonna take them down. Now they have time to get their ducks in a row. If I were you I would work on my grammer before I headed into a deposition or court room.

LeRoy from LA, you are an imposter and a sneak poster. You do not work here, if you did you would know that the only people who are discriminated against here are the Blacks and the Asians, the Mexican-Americans are the Protected Majority at this bakery. BTW, the black half of you is from your father's side, right? That means your mother slept with a black man, does that trouble you?

I am a very, very, proud half black, half mexican employee. Lemme tell you all you whites are gonna go down. You didn learn nothin from san francisco. we gonna take you down. Im gonna make some money!

To the person asking about the mini-muffins,,,,,the expirationdate on the package is not JAN 2002, it is January 02, 2004....To the person asking about the pie with an expiration date of December 03, 2003, we don't know how long it was on the shelf but see the explanation about mini-muffin to get some idea. Also read the comments about the moldy products posted throughout these pages to decide about future purchases.

RE: returns,I think returns can be cut by letting salesmen order themselves. I see management plusing product every day. they give more product that doesnt sell and less that does.wouldnt it be smarter to give more product that does sell....then doesnt, for example a store that sells more twinkees should get more twinkees not zingers. if you walk in a store and there are 12 cases of zingers and no twinkees why put 12 cases of zingers and 12 twinkees it should be 4 or 5 cases of zingers and 24 twinkees. thats just 1 example.I also feel sales men know best what to order not management. they are out there every day..also I feel emloyees will do their best if treated with respect. if something is not done to expectations instead of being so fast to repremand tell them you are doing a great job BUT i need it done this way. If the employees like their boss they will do better.I have plenty of ideas that would make this company efficent as i have worked in thrift stores shipping and have helped sales from time to time.......I also feel our relationships with our customers is very important how can you expect a store to help us out when they cant stand to talk to management. if you have any questions about any of this letter feel free to contact me @315 7326692 or se3b@aol.com

HAPPY THANKSGIVING BOYS I GOT THE FROZEN ROLLS TO THE DEPOTS THIS PAST WEEK .SAT.BREAD WAS BAKED TUES. AND TODAY.WILL BE SITTING ON DOCK UNTIL SAT. MORNING .

To the person in Cinci that can buy his own turkey.....you must be a sales person, you're the only ones who ever get anything, paid vacations, shirts and more shirts, golf, and did I say golf. how dare you act like whatever measly dollars were spent on bakry folks, took money out of your pocket. the only unaccounted for is the "unaccounted for" sales people. Put this in your pipe and smoke it Joe!

To anonymous Davenport (HR person), I tried to take your advice and contact my HR Dept. to see what I could do to contribute to the growth of my plant---I was put on hold! It seems to have grown too big already

I think that pretty much sums up the total HR dept for this company.

If the Davenport HR is the "best of the worst"- I can only imagine what everyone else has to deal with. The HR here is thoughtless, UNPROFESSIONAL, unethical, money-motivated and "in total lack" of what it takes to stand behind the people.

I think this company is owned by the mafia because most of the management does not know what their doing. They just have a title and thats all.

Just to let you know 05 inside plant employees recieved turkeys--stuffing--rolls -no salesmen--loaders--thrift store recieved anything Just as we are cutting jobs losing money some get extra I wonder where this money came from Our unaccounted was really high this month I have worked here a long time I can buy my own turkey I just hate to see people losing jobs while money can be moved around to buy things like this

There is a reason IBC does not put a telephone number on their packages, they are playing the odds. If a number was readily available it would cost them an additional $3-4 million dollars a year in product replacement, staffing and so on...So they leave the number off and understand that only a few consumers will take the time to look up a number or an address to send in a complaint. Anyway, here is the complaint number_________(800) 777-8067

To the Davenport employee who knows the HR Manager and put up such a weak reason for defending the HR department, "Are you the GM who was defending himself on this site a while back? or are you the HR manager?

To the HR person who "knows" the HR manager. If you truly "know" then you also "know" what is common knowledge amongst most employees. That is, the primary function of the HR depts has become simply attempting to cover the backsides of any and all management decrees. Secondary is the legal (not necessarily ethical) circumventing of legitimately negotiated labor contracts by sometimes foolishly trusting employees. Last becomes compassionate concern for employees needs. HR needs to look inside to see what they have become. They are not trusted by most employees and deservedly so.

To Anonymous from Davenport Iowa, HR. There are no checks and balances in Los Angeles HR. This HR pretty much does what ever it wants. Someone needs to remind them that HR stands for HUMAN RESOURCES. And I shouldn't have to explain what that means but Ms. Gonzales doesn't have a clue. And she doesn't have a clock or a calendar. You can't even get the LA HR group to answer their phones. You have to leave a message and hope they find your issue important enough to get back to you. Otherwise the only time you see them is when they try to fire you but can't because you have the documentation that they didn't bother to follow up on. Here it's HNR, human no resource.

To the disgruntled Davenport employee: I know your HR Manager and you have one of the best. Sometimes things don't happen the way, or as quickly as one might like and it may seem like nothing is getting done, but trust in the process. Yes, we (HR people) are checked and double checked and sometimes no matter what we do, it will make someone unhappy. Why don't you go to your human resources department and see what you can do to contribute to the growth of your plant? Try it! You may feel better about yourself. Just a thought!

Hey anonymous from Davenport, your description of the HR department fits all HR depts across the country. It is deliberate and they are trained to this, the IBC way.

I wish someone in St. Louis would look at the management team at the Davenport Plant. Look at how they administer discipline; what happened to progressive discipline. The first thing any one want to do is suspend and then set the suspension up so the next infraction is an automatic termination. Look at the consistency of discipline for like infractions and you will not find any. The managment team keeps employees sitting on the edge with no information for an long period of time. Who double checks that Human Resources and Management handles discipline consistently. Someone should look at it. This is what gives a company a bad name.

i have recieved a company hand book

to: OTHERWIFE I still have resiever the company hand book, it only covered our attendence policy, as for HR, I give them credit for sitting down and taking the time to listen to what i had to say, as for something being done, its to early to tell, i'm giving them a chance to prove all of us wrong, hopefully they do. I'll let you know how things turn out when everything is said and done Bill K.

Anyone out there got any good gossip out of the LA plant? i'm tired of reading about how things are in North Carolina or Iowa.Any bigshots gonna lose their jobs here in LA? And finally,whatever happened to Dingus Dong?

Someone in K.C. has said they want this site down. so they told the bakery manager to shut it down. The bakery manger told the district manager to shut it down. The district manager told the supervisor to shut it down. The supervisor told the the route man to shut it down. The route man called HR. HR said they would look into it and get back to the route man. This was 4 years ago. The route man called to see what progress had been made but no one was answering the phones so he left a message

IBC Incentive Program was cancelled long ago. This was done so Managment coule get a bigger bonus. Also, it's a known fact that managment took the gifts (before the program was cancelled) that were for the driver's and gave to family and friends.

IBC does not discrimeate, discriminete, disscrimate, DAMMIT, YES WE DO DISCRIMINATE, there I said it!, will you people go away now?

to anonymous from pomona asking about the re-org. forget it, it will only involve senior management positions. if you are one of the managers that will be retained then you have already been notified of your new position. if not than you are history. of course if you are an hourly employee than forget it because you don't count anyway.

Hey, what a great site, my neighbor told me about it. I used to work for Hostess when they were under ITT. Great product we put on the shelves back then and the bosses were all A@@HOLES. I see some things have not changed, 1st, I would not buy any of the garbage this company now puts out. but 2nd, from reading these posts the consistency is still there as they keep hiring A@@HOLE bosses. Stay away from the mold, it'll kill you.

Direct Deposit "2005" I can't believe it, I thought this was a typo error. Payday is also going to be on Fridays. Now IBC can earn a couple of days interest on payroll. Another wonderful SOAR idea.

Any thoughts on what and when they are going to restructure Wonder, Millbrook, and Hostess?

Bill: I'm glad you followed the chain of command and seemingly got answers to your questions from your HR dept. I'm curious though, did you ever get a copy of the company handbook? A sign of a good employee is one that is able to see the other side when it is pointed out to him in a fair and non hostile environment. Non hostile is what HR should be. Now that you have spoken with your HR dept, are your issues being addressed or did they just listen to you?

Blanket adds are done by the district manager when he doesn't meet his figures so if he is going to do the adding what do they need route supervisors for this could be a cost cutting adventure for ibc

Tom G learn how to spell or is this routine for manager wanta b's

I meant Direct Deposit payroll deduction that everyone is talking about...Millbrook

Millbrook announced the fabulous new payroll option of payroll deduction last week, available Jan 2005. When are we going to get out of the STONE AGE? Yes the bulliten said 2005.

Hey Steve Lemon Lover, don't blame the driver, blame the company, which by the way is called IBC not IBS. Who's to say that the driver didn't put out lemon pies and they were purchased before you got there? The route drivers would happily put out what sells but when they have to deal with the bakeries plussing them with crap that doesn't sell, the priority changes to get rid of this stuff even though we know we will be picking it up in 2 weeks. Write the company a letter (snail mail) and tell them how you feel. I'm sure you will get the same treatment that the employees get. Name: Steve Lemon lover Products Comment: Everytime I go to buy the Hostess Lemon pies at 3 stores in a row on brown ave in Manchester NH, Mobil, 7-11 & Citgo store there is never enough lemon pies or the driver doesn't leave them at all. Drives me nuts. I wanna Punch out the driver. STOCK WHAT SELLS! --- WHY doesn't IBS & the routes sales people get it???

According to IBC mgmnt.,IOWA is known as the black hole.They say the workers from Waterloo are slackers.

Biddeford Maine - CLOSE this is the worst plant with the worst Product!!!

Any and All of you sick Whining Bitches that dont like working for IBC go ahead and get a god Damn Job where you can sit around and bad mouth the Goverment making minnimum wages. You all are Lazy God Damn Whiners!!!!!!!

Biddeford maine are you a bunch of whining Bitches. The worst thing this company has done was to buy you out from JJ Nissen. From your workers comp claims to your stupid damn Union views. You are a big reason why this company is in the shitter. You should take lessons from the Midwest and the Hard working state of Iowa and try taking some pride and stop looking for handouts!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

To Bill K.... You think your posts on this site may having given you a red-carpeted entrance to the HR office? I hope so because I believe the company is now seeing how valuable this site is.

Kansas city what you are saying about ibc putting all the cbc managers (from a losing co.) into management it sure took someone else a long time to catch on if you check back in the posts many months ago maybe even in last years posts i have talked about and asked that question many times already.Yes they bring in managers from bankrupt co's. or from competition instead of moving people up from the ranks,i've seen them bring over a plain routesalesman from the comp.with less than 5 years experience and make him a district manager over more than 40 routes now is that good bussines or what and probably on the east coast where ibc was really strong they have replaced roughly 80% of their management force with cbc people and everyone knows how their track record is and as you can see they are not improveing on it.They were loosing money so fast the dog pound didn't want it anymore so ibc made them an offer and they dumped it quick and now you can see why.Always remember ibc bought cbc not the other way around and listen i'm not saying cbc don't have very good employees because they do i'm talking about the bussiness and managemeny staff

This being the website the we all choose to bash or stand up for the company on, I have an apology to make, I was quick to judge the head of our HR department by assuming that going to her i would be wasting my time, She took the time to sit down with me and here what my issues were and she helped me see the other side of others issues towards myself, So i now have a better view of whats going on around me, Since I am one of those that will publicly voice of print my issues and their fault, I feel its only fair and Right to give credit when its due, I want to thank Becky Bryant publicly for addressing my concerns and issues and I think in the future, before I go about making issues public, I will give the Hr department a chance to address whatever issues I am having, Thanks, Bill K.

What was I thinking? Took Nonunion company supervisors job many years ago. 401-k is losing money, don't know when I can retire now. Its nice to see my union buddies can retire with big guanteed monthly pensions. What a deal. Since signing on the dotted line IBC has changed my pension plan for the worse. Changed my medical coverage so that I have to work until I'm 60 to have any medical coverage. Anybody thinking about moving from a union position into a nonunion management position better think long and hard. Maybe the SOAR team will correct this? What was I thinking?

contract time is coming up next spring.union is talking more penison ,hourly pay and so on.boy what are they thinking?lucky we keep what we have now.this strike we be longer than last one.thats what we pay them for give it a shot.i am going out on $3000 monthly penison.I LOVE THE UNION THANK YOU TEAMSTERS BEEP BEEP

HEY WHATS UP WITH THIS DIRECT DEPOSIT WE CASH OUR CHECKS AT THE BAR AT LUNCH TIME.NOW WE HAVE TO GO BACK TO WORK SOBER.SOAR THIS WHO IS LOSING THERE JOB HR?

When IBC purchased CBC the baking industry was saying it was such a good deal because of the way IBC managed their operations, and if they brought that over to CBC operation it would be such a good mix? Then why is IBC trying so hard to run the operation the CBC way when CBC was losing so much money? And why keep these old CBC managers around that brought CBC down in the first place? IBC is losing big money and when other big companies are cutting cost by trimming white collar jobs IBC is adding white collar jobs. Do the shareholders have enough patience to see this through while share price continues to lag?

IBC's problems are due to falling demand...people's tastes and expectations are changing...and IBC can not seem to keep up. The tremendous growth in premium breads is all the evidence one needs. White bread is a dying breed

Forget about getting rid of the T.S. managers kid. GET RID OF D. GONZALES.

Butt lips ibc is not a franchise

theirs ROACHESand BIG BIG BIG RAT FACE in schiller park that S O A B RAT graphlite in your cake also cause cancer to your kids LOO K IT UP ALL OVER THE OVEN DONT EAT THE CAKE

With the coming of Direct Deposit and the new HR hires in Pomona, LA will close down HR and all function will now be handled there. Goodbye Ms. TS manager's kid, you didn't have a clue anyway.

To "I was also there from San Francisco" normally you don't see the roaches until someone turns the light on. Did you see the evidence that was presented to the jury (Ms. Alioto flicked the switch)? Kind of hard to see something that is not happening to you.

The law suit in S.F. got the 25 palintiffs around 18 to 20 million(total settlement). That amount also covered their attorney fees. I also was there, I did not see the discrimination a lot of these people said happened.

No, the managers who discriminated are not part of SOAR. But they are working in consultive capacities for IBC. You know how the hackers get caught and then they have a career going around teaching people how to avoid being hacked? These managers now go from bakery to bakery teaching the managers how to discriminate without getting caught. They have been successful so far but this will soon end. There are lawsuits currently being prepared and IBC will have to explain why 95% of the pruction workers are black or brown and 100% of the managers lack these colors.

The discrimination started when ITT owned CBC, continued through Ralston; and the evil managers were not stopped by IBC when they purchased CBC in1995. If they wanted to put an end to it there would not have been a trial and huge settlement in 2000. Many conversations start with____IBC was not guility, they only bought the company and the problems. IBC actually allowed it to continue for 5 years despite numerous complaints from the individuals to senior IBC managers in Kansas City.

What happened to the Managers and supervisors that did the discrimination? Did they get a raise and promoted? or are they now part of IBC SOAR team?

set the record straight... IBC paid the settlement but the actual grievences were when the plantiffs worked at Wonder Bread owned by Ralston Purina. IBC assumed the liability when they bought CBC. Is that right or should Ralston Purina have paid the money????

They probably do not mind if you call them idiots. The real idiots were the managers who discriminated against them. I understand that 17+ employees averaged about $3 million each, some got more and some got less depending on the degree of injustice done Clinl on the picture on the left and scroll down to the bottom to see what some are doing with their money. Or cut and paste this link: http://www.twinkies.org/news.php?action=show&id=12 in your browser.

Whats the word on elinore and swanson.Is it true one of the rat supervisors is gay and hates women!!

why would you call them idiots?

Does anybody know how much those idiots really got from that 260 million lawsuit?

thank god i left 1 and half years ago the place is falling apart

Between the MAFIA UNION and the COLLEGE MANAGERS, IBC EMPLOYEES are getting raped!

If ibc don't like what they read why don't they correct the problem,and the problem is not this site

flowers up 52% ibc down 47% they say its the cake divison losing $$$$.true look at the posts cake cake posts maybe it tastes like??? trying to keep 30 day codes

Hey Loyal employee...you don't get do you, someone in K.C. has said they want this site down. so they told the bakery manager to shut it down. The bakery manger told the district manager to shut it down. The district manager told the supervisor to shut it down. The supervisor told the the route man to shut it down. The route man called HR. HR said they would look into it and get back to the route man. This was 4 years ago. The route man called to see what progress had been made but no one was answering the phones so he left a message.

Listen Jerk (loyal employee), IBC cannot touch this site. Look above, the comments go back almost 3 years and this site is growing each month. Everyone here is talking about it and we all read it daily. Live with it, its a part of the new info age.

I work in HR in LA, they asked me to do something about this site, i will look into it and get back to the people in K.C. Ohh that is what I always say..guess this site will be up for many years to come.

Everyone will see real soon, negative sites like this do not last long. IBC will have them take it down, mark my word.

The handbook is for pension and benefits.When the contract is signed by the union and the company this is supposed to be a binding agreement for the term of the contract,no add ons no if and or buts.The union can't get any changes in during the term why should the co. ask cbc employees how many letters they had come down in the mail bag or faxed to them over the last 4 years telling them what they will do can do and cannot do.

The union does not have a handbook it has a contract which each depot is supposed to have a copy of it posted in the office,but most don't. the bi-laws are the in between rules and add ons that the company sends out telling you what you are to do and these are supposed to be sent to the union first before being sent to the work force.This is the paper work they send down for you to read,sign and agree to and send back to them. The union lets them get by with this that's why the ink keeps running off the paper your contract is signed on.

to the idiot who keeps begging ibc to take this site down by going to court,are you stupid or what if it cost a dollar extra ibc ignores it especially near the year ending,hell they wont even buy light bulbs for the depot or tires or batteries for the trucks because it will cut into their bonus at the end of the year, where you been at the last 20 years

It seems like everyone is dumping on ibc when they post on this site but what they are trying to tell ibc is quit worrying about making a dollar by cutting quality and get back to making quality products that the company can be proud of and the salesmen are not ashamed to put on the market

I would like to nominate Other Wife as our next Union Rep, since she really seems to know what she is talking about

to: D.V., By now you know how things go at butternut, especially if you work out of cincy or or should i say Wilder Kentucky, if you are who i think you are, you know nothing is going to change, no-one there can get along long enough to get together and try to get possitive changes made, so i'll tell you the same thing you guys tell us laborers, we'll look into it and get back to you later, I don't mean to sound so cruel about it, but unfortionitly, now you know how the rest of us feel, i see some of you supervisors are seeing the light, they dont appritiate you anymore than they appritiate us, thats why we are seeing you guys step down to lower jobs, like loading and delivering, good luck, see you next week, Bill

loyal employee, hang in there . this site will be down before the end of the month. IBC wont let this continue without getting the courts involved

to loyal employee___are you the GM of your bakery?

Why can't all the IBC employees refrain from posting on this site, maybe they will go away if we ignore them. This site is not good for us, we shoild be able to solve our problems with our respective managers. They are here to help us.

Can you imagine it has taken IBC until the year 2004 and a consultant fee of $17 million dollars to finally get around to paying their employees the way everyone else is doing. I would like to take my foot and SOAR it and plant a DIRECT DEPOSIT right up the corporate manager's ....Nevermind!

This is beginning to be required reading before we go to sleep each night. What a SCREWED UP company IBC is! Keep this site up and EMPLOYEES -keep sending in your thoughts--LOVE IT!! We have the same problems here and it gives us some peace of mind to see we are not alone.

I think ibc got the jitters from krispy creme critters

touche' jakel........amen

Now that everybody is coming out with low Carbo bread is IBC prepared for the change? I surely don't want to read in the next report that Carbo bread and KrispyCreme donuts are ruining the bread business.

Score another point for our SOAR team. They came up with an already thought up idea? Direct deposit. What a wonderful idea, I wish I would have thought of that. Once again we show how behind the times IBC is. But lets pat the backs of our wonderful SOAR team. Can't wait for their next idea that should have been done years ago.

HELL DONT JUMP SHIP HANG TEN BIMBO BAKERY WILL SAVE US RING A BELL? HOW ABOUT FLOWERS?THE TRUCKS WILL BE LEAVING MEXICO SOON LEARN SPANISH.TO ALL NON UNION WORKERS STOP YOUR CRYING THEY USE YOU AND KICK YOU ASIDE.SAY MAY I HAVE ANOTHER SIR.GET USE TO IT .

THIS COMPANY IS GOING BELLY UP HARD AND FAST !!! TIME TO JUMP SHIP NOW !!! WE'RE ALL GONNA DIE !!! AHHHH !!! P.S. YARN BARN IS HIRING

YOUR WEBSITE IS GREAT I JUST WANTED TO MENETION THE DIVISION MANAGERS OUT OF CINCINNATTI PLANT ARE GETTING A ROYAL SCREWING BECAUSE OF THE WAY THEY HAVE HAD THEIR PAYCHECKS CUT. SHOULDN'T THEY BE PAID FOR ALL THE WORK THEY DO . SOME DAY IBC CORP. IS GOING TO FIND OUT HOW THEY ARE BEING TREATED AND ALL HELL IS GOING TO BREAK LOOSE AND DAN HAWKINS WILL BE PRAYING AND FIGHTING TO KEEP HIS JOB THAT HE DOESN'T DESERVE IN THE FIRST PLACE. HOW MANY IDIOTS IS CORPORATE ALLOWED TO PLACE IN JOBS THAT NEED PEOPLE SKILLS BEFORE IT ALL COMES CRASHING DOWN AROUND THE WHOLE SREWED UP COMPANY?

YOUR WEBSITE IS GREAT I JUST WANTED TO MENETION THE DIVISION MANAGERS OUT OF CINCINNATTI PLANT ARE GETTING A ROYAL SCREWING BECAUSE OF THE WAY THEY HAVE HAD THEIR PAYCHECKS CUT. SHOULDN'T THEY BE PAID FOR ALL THE WORK THEY DO . SOME DAY IBC CORP. IS GOING TO FIND OUT HOW THEY ARE BEING TREATED AND ALL HELL IS GOING TO BREAK LOOSE AND DAN HAWKINS WILL BE PRAYING AND FIGHTING TO KEEP HIS JOB THAT HE DOESN'T DESERVE IN THE FIRST PLACE. HOW MANY IDIOTS IS CORPORATE ALLOWED TO PLACE IN JOBS THAT NEED PEOPLE SKILLS BEFORE IT ALL COMES CRASHING DOWN AROUND THE WHOLE SREWED UP COMPANY?

YOUR WEBSITE IS GREAT I JUST WANTED TO MENETION THE DIVISION MANAGERS OUT OF CINCINNATTI PLANT ARE GETTING A ROYAL SCREWING BECAUSE OF THE WAY THEY HAVE HAD THEIR PAYCHECKS CUT. SHOULDN'T THEY BE PAID FOR ALL THE WORK THEY DO . SOME DAY IBC CORP. IS GOING TO FIND OUT HOW THEY ARE BEING TREATED AND ALL HELL IS GOING TO BREAK LOOSE AND DAN HAWKINS WILL BE PRAYING AND FIGHTING TO KEEP HIS JOB THAT HE DOESN'T DESERVE IN THE FIRST PLACE. HOW MANY IDIOTS IS CORPORATE ALLOWED TO PLACE IN JOBS THAT NEED PEOPLE SKILLS BEFORE IT ALL COMES CRASHING DOWN AROUND THE WHOLE SREWED UP COMPANY?

Company handbook outlines what is expected from the employee. It also outlines what the employee can expect from the company. This document is provided by the company usually on the hire date. Updates to this document should be signed for by the employees. The Union Handbook is a summary of your contract. It should outline the basic's of the union contract. This document is obtained from the union. Your Shop Steward should be able to help you get copies of this document if you don't already have a copy. The Bi-Laws are the Union Contract in it's entirety. All the in's and out's. This large document is obtained from the union. Most employees don't know about the bi-laws and think that the Union Handbook is the contract in it's entirety. This is a common mistake as most employees never see a copy of the Bi-Laws. It is a huge document and would cost the Union big bucks if each employee requested a copy. With these three documents you should know what is expected of you, what you should expect from the company and what the union will do if either of you violates the contract. If you have a Union Rep that understand the contract then by all means set up meetings and go learn. I have not met a rep that understands the contract though.

whats the deal with cameras in the depots.

P S If you really care about your jobs and your livelyhood then take the time to do this remember you are the only one it's going to benefit,i'm referring to the previous post.

This is to all people in the union or out.talk to your union rep.everyone set up a meeting on your day off or after work off company primses , carry copies of contracts with you and get him to explain the contract to all of you,even take your spouses so if they have any questions they can be answers,your jobs effect their lives to most people don't even know whats in the contract but you can bet one thing your supervisor does he most likely has one at home and he probably reads it every week over and over again.This contract is your handbook the bi-laws is the co. handbook if you don't even know what's in your contract how can you benefit from the dues you pay ,believe me the managers like to see how far they can push,bend,and break your contract they think it's a game and they get off on it.Stand up on your own feet,if you don't know what they can and cannot do to you then it's your own fault you have the tools to fix it with in black and white,once you go to the unon and they don't do anything for you then tou have followed precedure and the next step is the labor board they will be glad to talk to you and believe me they are not scared of ibc.These people know the laws and they are there for you,believe me ibc is scared of them and don't want them snooping in their affairs.If you have been treated wrong in the workplace and the co. don't take care of it or the union doesn't then if you have a leagal bitch the labor board will help.They are a hellva lot stronger than the co. or your union.

What you people really don't understand about the lower management is that they didn't take this position to better themselves or to try to make a difference in the co.they tok these positions because they couldn't do the work or they were tired of working if you take a close look at these people you see very few of them that will do any work and when they have to they bitch about it these wanders when they get in managment they get a big ego and suddenly they're better than you are and all of a sudden they know everything and you know nothing and some of these guys were and maybe still are your friends,but remember their jobs will always come before yours,how many times have you heard them say if you don't like your job quit or don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out but remember the upper management knows where they came from and they don't listen to anything they say either all the big boys just say what the hell do they know all they are is just i glorified extra man.

I think that our next union contract (if we get one)will look just like the one offered the retail clerks.So start saving your money or start looking for other employment.The guys in charge don't have any answers as to how to make this Co. go forward.There's not one indication from them that this thing is going to be around for long.You can't be putting bandaids on big problems.If I make a bad call it costs the Co. a few dollars,If management makes a bad call it costs tens if not hundreds of thousands of dollars.And we know of many bad calls over the years that they've made,yet they continue to come up with stupid ideas and try to blame the workforce for their failures.How the higherups in KC have allowed the guys here to continue their act is beyond anyone.The decline in sales and growth these last ten years has been incredible, yet the one constant has been the same mgmnt. team.The only thing that's seen any growth is the amount of lawsuits that have been filed here vs. the LA plant.How do you screw up the past success of brand names like WONDER,HOSTESS,DOLLY MADISON,etc?

BILL, You need to learn the in's and out's of your union contract. You need to know it like the back of your hand. If the company does something that is in violation of the contract you need to step up to the plate and file a grievance. Your contract should state how many days after filing the grievance it has to be heard. Don't settle for anything less than what your contract says. I'm sad to say that I know more about my husband's contract than most of his co-workers and I don't work for IBC. I'm curious about what's in your contract and if it's simular to the contract out here. Remember that your union rep gets paid from your dues therefor he/she works for you. It's their job to make sure that the union members are treated fairly and to make sure that the company does not violate the contract. It's your job to point out when the company does not treat you fairly and violates the contract. You do that through the grievance process. If you don't have a copy of your contract, call your union rep and get one. You should also request a copy of the bi laws. The union handbook is a summary of your contract and the bi laws should be the complete document.

Not only has IBC missed the wagon on new bread or cake development, but they have missed the most important mark on our ever changing labor force. You can't treat people today like we did 20 years ago. IBC you need to change your attitude. It should not be that after I get my paycheck were even. I would like to think my employment with you continues after that?

One of the worst companies that I have ever worked for.........I have never experienced discrimination... until i worked for ibc......regional manager for retail store is deplorable.........does not know how to address employees with respect. often reprimand employees in the presence of customers

i'm in the union, one day i'll lean tp proof read my coments

yes, i am in a union member

Bill, You didn't tell me if you were in a Union. Let me know before I write another book.

screw ibc. my hubby has been busting his butt for this company for 2 years. he gets demoted, gets a pay cut, and has to train others to do his work. then today, he walks in and they no longer have any work for him. HE GETS FIRED!!!!!!!!!!!!!no wonder ibc is floundering. they suck!

by the way, i did recieve a hand book recently, but it just covered our attendence policy, i would be glad to post it, as far as the rules, i'm starting to think they make them up as they go along

TO: The other Wife, Thank you for your advise, I find it most educational and i'm sure it will be i'll be able to use the information in the near future, it would seem that going to HR would be the next step with my issues, but as some of the the other posts on here pointed out, it just seems a waste of breath, to them i'm the uncontrolable badguy and nothing else matters, even after ten years of being there, i don't believe anyone has ever questioned my work habbits, i've always done a good job, but as one of my bosses pointed out, if he can't control me, then he don't want me there, i'm not there to be controled, i'm there to do a job, not be thier buddies or yes man, so , i guess i'll just have to see how this play's out, if you have any advise as to who i should talk to outside of the plant it would be greatly appriated, Thanks again

HAS ANYONE LEARNED HOW TO SOAR YET?

Well things should be slipping out by the end of the week all the chiefs on the east coast had a big pow wow in Florida this week,should be letting some of the people know whats about to take place or what little bit they want yu to know.

Why you think they call them kansas city chiefs,,,,,,,,too many chiefs and not enough indians,,,,,,,that's the way ibc is run.

The H R department is a waste of co. money,these people spend their time with the bosses inside the plant where their offices are and they become friends with management now when a dispute comes up who they going to take up for their friends or somebody they don't know or may never see in their lives.

IBC your HR departments are a disgrace. The people working in them know as the HR people could care less about the employees in the bakery. HR is there to help,instead they hide and avoid contact..They lock themselves in their offices. Their main purpose seems to be to defend the management against the hourly employee. This needs to be addressed and corrected.

IBC your HR departments are a disgrace. The people working in them know as the HR people could care less about the employees in the bakery. HR is there to help,instead they hide and avoid contact..They lock themselves in their offices. Their main purpose seems to be to defend the management against the hourly employee. This needs to be addressed and corrected.

we are not closing bidderford .who told you that ?no other cental bakery on east coast to cover area.i am on dock here we have cribbs office bugged .

Her they are referred to as the In-human Resources department

There is no HR dept. in LA.

Did someone say "CONTACT YOUR H.R. DEPT?" Yea right..like D.Gonzales in LA will return a phone call.

Wow they are sending you a container to send the product back to them. I think if I were in your shoes those Donettes and the container they came in would be photographed/video taped and put in my freezer. I would not send it back to hostess. I might send it to my attorney.

ATTENTION Bill The "Rules" can be found in your company handbook. Granted this important document has not been updated in years, but hey HR is to busy avoiding phone calls to deal with a document that dictates what employee's can and can not do. Every request you make to IBC should be done in writing and signed for by a company employee of supervisor or higher authority. Then after you have given this request by hand you need to send it in the mail to your HR dept via certified/return receipt. That way you have documentation that you made the request and they ignored your request. If you are in a Union, carbon copies of any correspondence should be sent to your Union. Again I'm assuming that you are represented by a Union. I can't stress the importance of documenting every little incident that occurs in your workplace. Have a co-worker who witnesses any altercations put their signature on your documentation if they will agree to do that. Any time you receive disciplinary action you need to let your Union rep know. Sometimes (if you have a strong Union) they will back you up if warranted and the action will be removed from your personnel file. Supervisors are not allowed to cuss at you or any employee. All employees must be treated in the same way. If other employees of the same job title are allowed to carry and use their cell phones, they can't tell you that you can't. Again, DOCUMENT these types of situations. This documentation becomes useful in more ways than you know. Anytime a supervisor tells you to do something different than what the other employees of the same job title are required to do have them put it in writing and sign it. If they won't put it in writing then I personally wouldn't do it if the other employees of the same job title were not required to do it. The majority of the blue-collar workers at IBC love their jobs; the problem is they are treated like crap. You have horrible upper management and your HR is an industry joke. Good luck.

"The Rules" For those of you that work out of plant 05, most of you will know who i am. For thse of you that don't work out of plant 05, let me entertain you. For the last year or so, i seem to always be in trouble. I have recently been given three days off for not following the rules. Two months ago, I asked a suprevisor for a copy of the rules, but had no luck getting them. So I went to another supervisor and ask him for a copy, he tells me " Just Do Your Job And Follow The Rules". I guess its a pretty simple idea but i can't follow the rules if i don't know the rules and i don't think my job performance has ever been in question. So, yet again, still no copy of the rules, I'm starting to wonder, are there any rule or do they make them up as they go along. Ok, I followed the chain of comand trying to get a copy of the rules. Atlast, I have a copy of the attendence policy. I guess we have to start somewhere (Common sence has no place in the workplace) "Still Waiting on the Rules" What are the rules? These are the common sence rules. 1. No smoking in the building (how many supervisors did we see smoking on the dock) 2. No gambling (doesnt this one screw all the people in the football pool) 3. No redneck jokes (this isn't a joke, it causes a hostile work enviornment) 4. No redneck jokes (I thought it was worth repeating since so many get offended by them) 5. No cellphones (but this one only applies to me) (by the way IBC posted a memo that there is to be no cell use in Company vehicals) (Hmmm, i wounder how many do that) 6. No working hard to get done (you might interfer with someones overtime causing hostility) 7. No calling people stupid (i think that includes making them feel stupid) I'm not sure about this one but i'm pretty sure its a rule. 8. No cussing, cursing, going off on, or bad mouthing other employees (unless you a supervisor) These are the Rules that I know of. Although i'm pretty sure i'll get a list of them now that i have waited for two months and put this up on the message board. Gee, i wonder what the rest of my week is going to be like. Lets see here, in the past month, I have been wrote up, given three days off (it was such a nice week), our genious in human recources made a pretty stupid threat, and now thier auditing my expence reports. DAmn, I think they want to get rid of me at this point. Oooops, i almost forgot, i got cussed out by a supervisor on the phone. Damn what a month. So, with all this, some little twit has the nerve to question my integrity. At this point I have never RATTED anyone out at my job, should i start to squeal. I have taken the blame when it was do, you would think this would give me some credabilty. So, when the twit comes to me and makes an acusation (for which he has no proof), and I tell them the facts (he didnt even have the paperwork i filled out with a supervisor) they look at me like i'm lying (I wasn't wearing my white shirt that day). If it was job job to try to intimidate someone, i think i would have my act together. I bet i hear about this in the morning, LOL. For those of you that have read this far, Thank you for you patience, sorry for the spelling, (i'm just a dumb loader). For those of you sitting there pissed off because you know i'm talking about you, you will just have to deal with it. (i wish i could have put a smiley face as a period) By the way, could I please get a copy of the company policies (the rules) I bet theres a copy somewhere, someone will just have to dig it out.

I agree with Make Me the Boss, IBC should get this web site off the internet at whatever cost. It is hurting sales and worker's morale. I bet if they offered these people $2000 it would be off the internet in a heartbeat.

To the person who said MAKE ME A BOSS,this is still the USA i hope. You want to take down this site because of truths or opinions you do not like or you disagree with. Mabey you should MOVE to CHINA. There you can be a dictator. Not here. People like you should be deported to China. Are you a communist?

I agree with anonymous from LA. Ive worked in this business for 15 years and feel like Im back in the service. Do as your told only takes a back seat to dont prove a superior wrong or show one up. Its amazing that they will no longer listen to the rank and file. They MIGHT act like they are listening , but they are not. Ive coached kids at all levels and I will listen to there ideas and sometimes use them. I dont have superiors to answer to though, just parents. It seems the problems with IBC are widespread and nationwide, so what does that tell you. The first thing IBC ought to do is start treating people (consumers and employees)like people. Quit ignoring them, they can make you or break you. To be continued.

What A Bunch of Wusses the management of IBC is turning out to be. Do you think that a strong management team would let this site continue so the public can see all of these internal problems? And what is the Bush Foundation, are these people related to the president and IBC's lawyers are afraid to go after them? They better be happy I'm not the CEO, I would have their asses in a courtroom everyday until I drained every penny from their bank accounts!

Of course this is not a racial issue.I was just responding to the tacos and beans comment made by one of our future managers.Let's get serious,the old guard let this Co. go.From the least important part of the company to the most important part,they just ignored the things you must do to keep your company up to date and competitive.I've been with IBC for 20+ years and for the most part it's been agood experience.But the last 5 years you can see that there is no future planning, no new updated equipment.Just like a company in trouble or a company not caring in it's future.You're only as good as your employees and their attitude.If you divide the company into a mngmnt. vs. the rest, the I don't care anymore sickness will spread.We're supposed to be a team but try giving an idea or an opinion and they think you're some kind of dummy.I hope things change soon before it's too late.

Why is biddeford plant closing, to make room for progress,the home office is soaring to take out the trash.

I have eaten a lot of cakes over the last 3 years and none that i have bought were made by ibc.

They have cakes coming from the west coast to the east coast and they feel better,look better and taste better than what ibc is putting out and instead of them trying to improve on their quality they want to put the blame on the route salesman for the loss of cake sales.Even automobiles get out dated but not ibc products they're still trying to push the same kinds of cakes and products from 30 or 35 years ago,throw out the old pans and bring in some new.

That's what i'm talking about look at the the bad quality of products the front line is shoving on the market

I sold mine at $65. a share when times were good. Then ofcorse retired from IBC. I was upper mgt. Now i live a very good life. Get the stock back up and sell.

l a personally i don't give a shit what you like and yes i do know what the people look like that's running this co. in the ground a lot of them look like you

To la if the shoe fits wear it,if the truth hurts bear it and yes because of the labor laws in the great usa the workplace has to be colorful and have a lot of minorities regardless of their qualifications,can you see the light?

Why is the Biddeford Me plant closing?

To the DUMB--S who wrote about too many mexicans working in the bakeries. Did you poke your sorry ass head in the offices?Did you see the color of the people that have run this Co. into the ground? Any mexicans in there? I didn't think so.It wouldn't be a bad idea to think before you post.Personally I love tacos and beans with some rice and salsa.

well i hear managers are no longer they are do everything we tell you or goodbye.and turn in your car.looks like the soar program is now in effect.this is what some companys do to you after 20 years service YOUR JUST A NUMBER.SPIN THE BOTTLE AGAIN TOM BRADFORD

where's Pedi Chinn now? I miss her!

Just look at the people they hire. Who wants to work 12 hours a day? Who wants to work all different hours?Who wants to work all the holidays?Who wants to give up their family lifestyle for their job? Only the people on the bottom of the barrel are interested.. Many of the employees can not even speak good english. And most are friends and related to eachother in one way or another. Want a quality product you need quality people. So you have to offer more than a pay check. Wake up management. Or are you on the bottom of the barrel also?

To 2xemployee, maybe all other companies aren't like ibc and people don't need to vent their rage against them the way they do ibc,hey i worked for ibc for 30 years and most of what i've read on this site is right on key so let the people bitch and if you don't like what you read it's a free country you don't have to read anything on this site and if the truth hurts well just shoot yourself and get out of your missery

How can anyone put someone in charge of a bakery or over the whole corporation that don't know the first thing about how a bakery operates, all they know is how the books are supposed to look.If you can't run the bakery how you going to make the books look good.

While traveling in virginia this weekend i saw a funny thing, a merita tractor trailer and on the back it said baked while you sleep,they forget to tell you it was baked while you slept four nights ago

too many mexicans working for ibc now. Hell all they know how to cook is tacos and beans, just take one of your days off and take a tour through your bakery and see what is working in there.

to x ibc... my hubby loves his job, and he does it to the best of his ability. i complain because it isn't fair to the employees to treat them like crap! get another job is easier said than done...he could go with flowers or little debby and buy his route...i say not no, but he** no! to much overhead and no benefits. do all areas belong to a union. at my hubby's depot, only the bread men are allowed to join. since my hubby does cake, he can't join. is it that way everywhere?

Does anybody else see that IBC is not a leader when it comes to new product development? We are always following other companies after they have come out with new products we follow suit. Why?

Hey, we do Love our jobs, we just don't like the crooks in KC running this company or the idiot managers in charge at the bakeries. And we are paying the lawyers to keep the senior managers out of the jails, not to challenge individuals exercising their free speach.

Hello R, X IBC employee. I have been telling these people for months to either leave and find another job because complaining DOES NO GOOD. No one listens to me, I see the number of complaints grow more and more each month. I believe we are losing this battle, this is the day of the Internet and this site is Killing IBC, maybe they can get their lawyers to have it removed, I don't see other companies with sites like this. What are they paying the lawyers for anyway?

what's going to happen when and if ibc sales the routes to the drivers and they have to cover all their expenses and lease their own trucks and they are allowed a certain percentage of returns and anything over that the route driver pays for out of his own pocket then you will be wishing for a thrift store to dump your returns in,i've seen this with flowers bread co. most of them can't keep their routes in the black much less their routes and household.Competition is whats killing ibc,go in a convenant store and you will see 4 or 5 different cake companies in each one of them and in most of them ibc cakes are the worst looking and feel the hardest of all,they are still putting out the same cakes they did 20 or 30 years ago and some of them look and feel like they have been there that long but don't get mad at me for writing this get off your ass and go check for yourself and then make your your own decision about this fact.

you people are ignorant and stupid huh family friendly company ,you are dreamers but hold on your nightmares are about to begin

Seems the supervisors dont like women,are you gay or stupid probrobly both

I WAS WANTING TO SEE HOW TO APPLY FOR EMPLOYMENT, BUT AFTER READING THIS BOARD; NEVER MIND.

To Anonymous "You people are freaks, get a life." ___YOU ARE NOW OFFICIALLY ONE OF US, WELCOME!! Unless of course you plan on not reading or posting anything on this board again___but you know you will.

What is destroying this company is an acct exec. hiring his son, then making him a supv. What does he do in Simi Valley at some house all day?

Freshness is what built this company and they are getting away from this by the extended shelf life and they are loosing customers every day because of this.What is destoying this co. is the management,and exc's. they hire now,They don't want the hands on type of people working in management anymore they want people with college bussiness degrees and most of these people can't make a pan of buscuits much less run a large bakery most of them don't even make good bussiness managers of any kind.

shop# 60 Is this becoming a routine practice at your location: A benefit increase occurs, and if your contract does not have a maintenance of benefits clause. And you are not informed by IBC and they wait till you owe a substancial amount and then they want their money from your next check end of story.... Can they do this without a court judgement? we are the second plant to experience this any others out there??

To IBC management in Kansas City I respectfully request that you check the above bakery for quality control. Since the Richmond, Va Bakery was closed, and the RM Bakery took over distribution, many products have continued to lose most or all of their previous levels of market share. To mention a few: Home Pride Wheat, Home Pride Honey Wheat, Home Pride White, and Wonder Sandwich Bread. With a top notch product that our sales people can be proud of...again! The best management and sales people in the world can not make sales grow with an uncompetitive product. I challenge you to "wake up"...and realize that we used to be the consumer's No. 1 choice in our market area. Now...when I'm doing call backs, quite often I hear: 1. Wonder doesn't taste fresh anymore, even though the date on bag says it's O.K. 2. Yeah...used to buy HP Wheat all the time, loved it...but so many times it's over baked, sunk deep in the middle...so I bought the Nature's Own. I found their brand is always baked properly. 3. "Used to buy Wonder Sandwich Bread all the time." Sometime ago you people reduced the size from 24 oz. to 20 oz. and raised the price to $2.09. So I buy that one in the Red and Yellow wrapper (Sunbeam). They made their's larger, and it's 20 cents less at $1.89. As you should imagine, I have heard many more comments. Hopefully...this will be enough to get your creative juices flowing. My future and yours depends heavily on the decisions made by upperlevel management over the next 6 months. Personally, I do not beleive we'll make it much further than that, if we keep doing like we have the last 6 months. Serious changes in actions and attitudes must happen if we are to prevail. Your dedicated sales staff depends on a consistant quaiity product to deliver the sales results you need to prosper. We CAN DO IT, if you can supply the quality products that made the name Wonder and Hostess a household name!

DOWN TIME HAS GONE DOWN AT SCHILLER PARK THANKS TO TOM PUTTING SUPERVISOR IN THE RIGHT PLACES LIKE THE RAT RAT RATFACE A***H*LE MOTHER F VC RATFACE A***H*LE

To the person raising the small piglets. There is no such thing anymore as bulk day old bread. All this stuff last a lifetime because of the perservatives in them, sometimes we ge about 20-30% of it will mold but it is still "IBC FRESH". ---------" Possibly there is a route franchise in my area that would love to sell me their secounds and day old."----------GO AND STAND BEHIND ONE OF THE DEPOTS AND YOU CAN FIND THAT 30% THROWN AWAY IN THE GARBAGE BIN!!