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I read a memo from the sales mgr. stating a good way to maximize sales and profits these two 4 day weeks, is to lower the stale. With 1 day in each week not picking up stale and controlling orders we can make these two weeks profitable. We all laughed as we got our daily adjustments { bulk adds from the District manager) There were adds on over 20 items. Now granted there are a few lazy routemen out there, but instead of making them do their job(through market surveys and disciplinary action) its easier to just add everyone, thus creating more bad attitudes!!! Millbrook"s management has lost all credibility with it's sales force. Then add in all the unpaid overtime due the routesales people and you have a very unhappy workforce! Most employees hope we have a change of local management after the upcoming changes arrive. Long ago this used to be a job that everyone wanted and lined up to get, now we can't even keep 75% of the new hires as they usually quit within the first month. The other 25 % are made Division Managers because no regular employee wants the job. The salesman"s wife has it right!!!

S.O.A.R. is turning into a real disaster. This group of Bozos don't have a clue whats going on. I think its time to roll over and play dead.

Today the top 100 companys to work for was announced. Where was ibc? Why is is nowhere even close to the top 1000 best companys to work for. Come on corporate its all up to you guys to make things better and bring people together. Mabey corporate, you can at least make the top 1000 next time instead of being last.

To the IBC manager. Stop your whining and do your job. Get off your fat ass and get out there with your men and woman who are the real backbone of this company . Your comments are pathetic. What do you do ,or what have you done,to make this a better company. Be perpaired the axe is coming down on you management slackers very shortly. THEY KNOW WHO YOU ARE . So you better get out there with your ROUTESALES REPS. and learn something before it's too late.-----muffin

I've been monitoring this board for several months,and discussining the posts with my co-workers here at Drakes. I want everyone to know that investors and investor representatives, and maybe even some from the NYSE floor are aware of this message board. Also the CEO and other senior executives at IBC gets a report on this board every week. In other words, what you write can have an influence. Since IBC has elected to not go after the site owners to have this site removed, I believe ALL employees should use this site to bring to the surface the inefficiencies and antiquated management styles that are rampant throughout this organization.

to another wife,instead of posting your perspective comments on this site why don't you call or write a letter to ibc ceo and tell him what is wrong with this co.we already know but that is what i was saying they don't care anymore and they don't want to here from anyone who has an opinion about how to make this a better co,they already know everythingand i'm sorry you had to take flack from l a but these people are here to blow off smoke, i was a lifer too and i have to positively say this was a better co. to work for 15 years ago,now it and it's management is a disgrace to the working force.

Does anyone know where you can find a list of Kansas Mngt? Or even central divsion mngt?

Would someone like to explain what this company believes its doing? Every move it has made in the last 6 months has been wrong. Down hill is not the way to go with them. My store receives extra stuff like were the hide out we contact managment and they blow us off! There is like 3 good people who are in this CO. My store employee's are afraid that the store is closing and of course we get no response and the public questions our future because of the Grand Rapids. Does anyone have a real answer does the board the CEO's anyone? They all ignore us Toledo wont even visit my store but once in a great while (we are outta the way they say) People who need to be let go from my area is defintaly Tom Alexander hes no good he only pay attetion to high profit stores my store could be there oh wait you took over and want to raise donnettes from 89cents to 1.69 over night who the hell is going to pay for that the stores customer count is down approx. 200-500 a week. Nobody cares they blow us off. Do we have a marketing division? I cant find one do we have advertisment nope we get blown off. We have bills that havent been paid by the plant in months. There sending final noticies to us every day. If the people of the CO. would read this board and actually do something the CO. would have a better world or some sort of education. Just my .02

FYI I am in a unique position being married to an IBC (and all the names that came before IBC) lifer. I am an HR professional for a nationwide company. I work in a unionized environment though I am not in a union. I have a working grasp of state laws as well as federal laws and how they pertain to union workers. I probably know more about the local contract than the union reps. While I certainly believe that the majority of IBC route drivers need to take ownership of their jobs I also see that that task is next to impossible for them (at least in southern ca) as they get little or no support from their union and usually are bad mouthed by certain union reps on a regular basis. I would not post here if I thought I didn?t have a unique perspective to offer. This company is in more trouble than most of you even realize. The rank and file backbone (route drivers) all over the country are unhappy. It is evident by the posts on this board. Management doesn?t listen and doesn?t allow you guys and gals to do what you know how to do, and what you have been trained to do. I do not speak for my husband on this board; I speak for myself because I feel I have something worthwhile to offer. My husband is very capable of speaking for himself and he does. As for the guy who gets his support from his dog, unless you beat your dog, it will love you no matter what stupidity spews from your mouth. I?m happy you have the support of your dog so please keep your insults to yourself and don?t address me unless you want some real information.

To "another wife of IBC employee" , LOL... I like ya', you got spunk! You sound like a cool lady. Obviosly you wear the pants in the family. I think your problems ( or your whimp's problems) will be over if you comand/order/instruct that spineless, whinning husband of yours to speak out and stand up for his rights. He probably does at work like he does at home, tucks that tail between his legs and lets everybody beat up on him. Me, housebroken? Well lets just say I'm working hard at it. Am I in lower management? As low as sewer scum gets. Not having the support of a loved one? Don't need it, gots me a dog...

To not yet domesticated: (and probably not housebroken either) It must be hard not to have the support of someone who loves you. You smell alot like lower management to me. :)

To all you "wives of ibc employees" Some people may wonder why is it that YOU are posting instead of the gutless & spineless sperm donors you are married to. Obviously, the problem is with your "men" lol... If you know about this board I imagine that they must also know about it, why is it then that you have to post for them. I'm laughing at the neutered idiots that are showing support for you, wanting to send money to you or with offers to open your own web page. These so called "men" need to go out and find, buy or borrow some testicular fortitude and speak for themselves. Okay ladies...your time's up...go back to the kitchen or the bedroom, where you belong...

To the wife of an employee, if you work you must work for a good company because some of the comments you are making about this co, if any of the upper management ever reads this are laughing at you.You talk about hiring good HR people, can't you see they have in there who they want not what the employees need and they never will,You say let the route drivers work the routes the way they were trained to do,they never have and they never will.Iknow the route salesmen know how to run their routes and knows their markets better than management does and the salesmen could give a lot of valuable input of information to the co. BUT THE UPPER MANAGEMENT RUNS THIS COMPANY AND THEY DON'T WANT TO HERE ANYTHING THE SALESMAN HAS TO SAY, that's why they are up there making the big bucks and we are running the streets and they don't want it any other way and remember this especially since the last fifteen years this co. does not care about it's employeesor customers and never will again so if you are intending to work for them (or your spouse) then take this with a grain of salt,live for yourself not ibc.

All the employees of ibc knows where all the excess fat is in this co. and when ibc starts to soar in o4 watch the management start running around like cockroaches in an infested kitchen when somebody turns a light on,that's right where they gonna go.Most of them are already looking for other employment already and if they aren't they had better be because the co. has already cut or closed most of what they can afford to without putting themselves in too big of a bind and the word is already out that they aren't going to have routemanagers or supervisors in 04 when they soar so just remember don't feel sorry for these bastards when they come crying to all of you and saying they told me i don't have a job after next week,just smile at him and walk away and remember all the hassel that he has given you in the past and say to him what's the matter ,don't the co. love you anymore and if you are so important to this co. how can they be letting you go.

To the Webmaster:++++++++++++Please put a seperate page on your website for the IBC wife. Her advice is priceless and she should be a resource for all to send in questions. I will help you pay for any updating you have to do to get this done. Maybe we can all send money to her every month to help us with our problems with IBC!

To Anonymous from Schiller Park, lll. How is the seniority going to work out when Dolly and Hostess products go on one truck? We have a similar situation with two bread brand names going on here. Your input would be appreciated.

Happy New year fellow employees Has anyone seen the new VP profit center Memo's It seems they will be shaking loose all the dead beat managers soon help is on the way

to wife posts give me five you are 100% right.here in northeast no hourly wage 8-12 hours daily until route is done.how does it work in la. area hourly?

To the Biddeford Manager. LET THE ROUTE DRIVERS DO THE JOB THEY WERE TRAINED FOR. STOP TRYING TO DO THEIR JOB FOR THEM. Follow a Schematic? So management can come in and change it because they don't like how it looks. Service all your stops? So management can complain about your overtime. Order for growing the business? So the bakery can plus the hell out of you with the stuff that doesn't sell and raise your stale percentage to outrageous. Shame on you for saying that the route drivers wouldn't survive without the protection of their business agent. The business agents aren't around and here in Southern CA we suspect the business agents are already in the back pocket of the employers. How bout the company acting responsibly and paying for overtime actually worked to put out all the plusses. And how bout the company building a schematic that incorporates the mass quanties of plusses. And what about the threats of "CUTTING YOUR ROUTE" because you had to take a little extra time to calm down the small market owner when you were forced to dump all the extra product that you were plussed in his little store because the chains won't allow it? This company won't survive not because of the route drivers (who for the most part know how to do their jobs) but because of the micro management policies as well as the nepotism that clearly goes on. How about setting up a training program that actually trains the employees to do what is expected of them. How about a training program for the so called managers that are almost always related to someone somewhere that sometime in their lifetime used to work for IBC? Last but not least, the blue-collar workers are not looking for INTITLEMENT at their jobs. They are looking for a fair wage for the work that they do. They are looking to improve their lot in life just like everyone else based on their job performance. BTW when was the last time an employee received a Performance Review? How does and employee know what management thinks of the job they are doing if the company never reviews his/her performance? Hire some real HR professionals and some real Management who treat employees like humans instead of scum from the gutter and you'll be surprised.

hey tell us you dont up our orders.on same route 12 years do my job all stops daily call backs.and you order for me why?you say no so it must be tom bradford?they stuff it down your mouth and you do it in return to us.99%of us love our jobs you make it bad for us mr. manger leave us who do there job alone.sorry there are no mangers any longer what is your title now office clerk?soar in 04

To the Biddeford, Maine manager...You definately sound like IBC management material. Just out of curiosity- did you get your position becuase you earned it, because you actually spent hours upon hours riding routes, or did you "fall into" the position becasue you are the friend of a friend of a uncles, neighbor's spouse?? You claim that the routes order for convenience instead of the growth of business. Do you make daily contacts with your routes? Do you sit down and check the orders and help guide them and explain "a better way" of ordering? Do you ride routes on a weekly basis to remind yourself what the routes are faced with daily? Or are you the typical manager that sits in the branch and whines and complains about your routes being "forced to perform". Isn't part of being a manager, being able to motivate? Are you really any different than the employees posting on this site. They are telling you like it is -about management- and apparently you are telling them like it is -about employees. It is that same "tunnel vision" way of thinking that has brought this company to the point that it is. Why don't you try WORKING with your people instead of "posting" against them. Aftrerall- YOU are in management.

I'm a manager at a branch out of the Biddeford bakery. I've avoided this board until now, mainly because I have heard it is riddled with moronic comments from disgruntled employees. I spend most of my day making sure those of you who feel you are entitled to do whatever suits you actually do the work with which you are assigned. Instead of searching the contract for a misplaced comma that relieves you of some responsibility, take some ownership in the job you do. Put up a sign. Do a callback. Follow a schematic. Service all your stops. Order for growing the business and not your own convenience. Many of you who do most of the complaining expect the world in terms of pay, pension and benefits and in return contribute only to the decline of earnings. Certainly management is wanting in many areas. But it is not hard to figure out that when all there is to manage are a group people who could not survive without the protection of their business agent and who will not perform unless forced to do so we are indeed in trouble. Those of you who fit this profile please go buy your own route. Those of you who do not, my apologies.

Hostess and Dolly will be delivered on the same trucks starting next month....should be fun

IBCDough.com is down again, why don't you switch this to twinkies.org, at least this site is up all the time.

we call you paperboys here in the northeast.hand helds mean nothing they up your order more.so stale is high for a loss writeoff.so hump it in and hump it out seven days later so they get paid for your time.

gangsta7, coming from someone who openly calls themself a "gangsta" we will all take to heart what you have said. not

to John Hasbeck: Are you willing to work overtime and not get paid for it? Are you willing to wear a manditory uniform and pay for it? Are you willing to be cussed out by management and take it? Are you willing to to be called a salesman when all you do is stock a shelf? Are you willing to work the crappiest hours known to man and never see your family again? Are you willing to never have a real holiday with your family because you have to be in bed by 4pm? Well John if you have answered yes to any or all of these questions then you to can work for IBC and be treated like a dog turd :).

check out bloomberg.com punch in ibc then news.see what happens to nonunion workers.

The board of directors needs to get rid of all the excess baggage in corporate. Their taking them for a one way ride.

upper management at ibc has no clue whats happening out on the market .want to save money get rid of people like mike pritchard who dont care about anything but making the numbers.merry xmas

I have been employed by IBC for only a short time and the people that complains about the company are not lying, these are things that actually go on within the company. Management handles situations the way they want to handle them instead of letting us do our jobs the way we were trained. They ride their families around in company cars, using company money for gas, and probably paying for their vacation with company money. This company is a bad company to work for but the pay is better than the average sales job. The pay is good but it is the things that you have to go through for that makes the pay not worth you being there.

unions hang strong- we will always win

teamster drivers from the grocery warehouses in cal. are back to work why aren't ibc salesmen allowed to cross?

Salesmen are not crossing the picket line. I am a supervisor and me and all other supervisors are forced to cross the lines or we will be demoted.

couldn't understand dough?it won't matter-if you can't get that simple prog.you will be working at walmart soon

are salesmen in calif. still not crossing grocery store strike?

IBCDOUGH.COM is just as screwed up as Twinkies.com,and Twinkies.com. TWINKIES. ORG rules

I could not log into www.ibcdough.com. I did not understand the program when my Manager explained it to me.

Can not get into www.IBCdough.com

If you want a job has a route salesman in the Lynchburg,Va area call 704-394-1181 ask for HR.Dept. they will help you. good luck.

It is amazing to me what I read here. People are spilling their guts about losing their jobs and the injustices they must endure while working for this company and others complain about packaging and losing sleep over a pre cut hotdog bun. I guess priorities are different everywhere.

Good going Biddeford, good thing that the New Bedford plant is still working or should i say good thing we still have employees that know what they are doing9no i'm not talking about foremen, because foremen they are only 3 that know what they are doing the rest are all riding on the other ones back, you want to save money get rid of foremen we don't need the ones that don't know anything...

It has been learned thet all supervisors from Orowheat, Hostess Cake, Millbrook, and Wonder Bread have been vidio taped crossing the picket lines. This will be addressed after the strike is over.

Well IBC has dont it again. They closed the bakery in Grand rapids as part of the soar program to save big money. Well let me tell you kids ,its not working very well . Every day its something new cant order this on this day cant get that on that day tons of cuts lots of product we didnt order . This week alone we threw out tree racks of wheat bread that no-one ordered but it came here anways . Waste waste waste, thats the new IBC slogan. Payroll is all screwed up some of us get paid on wednsday some thursday some friday. But hey in 2005 we can get direct deposit, cant wait to see how bad the screw that up ,if we are still here. Wish they would have asked me howto save money I would have only charged them Half of what soar is.

Dear Confused in Colorado, I'm sorry your losing sleep over how hotdog buns are precut. Most of the people who post here are losing sleep over the unfair treatment they receive at work and the laws that are being broken.

Almost all Millbrook and Wonder and Oroweat Division Managers are crossing Union sanctioned picket lines. These Division Managers are in the Union and are not supposed to cross. The Teamster locals have been informed and so far have turned their backs and refused to stop it. The Union talks out one side of their mouth then quietly whispers out the other. Thats why the Companies do what they want because the Unions have no power,no resolve. The next year is going to be very interesting here in So Cal.

Hostess supervisors almost always work six day weeks,and are made to cross the picket line at grocery stores or they will be demoted to relief drivers.Wait til they wake up and file their own suit. If this Co. would go by the book and do the right thing it wouldn't cost them as much.UNBELIEVABLE.

There were 5 class actions filed recently. This is covered in one of the actions. It covers all IBC employees in the state of California. You guys need to remember that just because it's in your contract doesn't mean it's legal. Look for your opt in paperwork in the next few months.

The next lawsuit will be Millbrook. Time clock violations to the max. The Teamsters will be included because they refuse to get involved. Both know that salesmen are working over the 45 hour work week with unpaid OT. In the Inner cities they cut your route if you turn the OT in, perfectly legal according to the contract , but to turn your head on the other routemen that are working OT and not require them to punch the clock is not. In the outlying areas, routemen work 50 to 55 hours a week because of driving times and other factors and don't get paid. Right now the one Local has an overtime grievence with the Company but its candy coated and has been 4-6 weeks now with no results. When 70-80% of the Routemen don't punch the clock and the Union doesn't enforce it, theres a problem.It is in the contract that both the company and union signed that the employee's time be properly recorded! Shame on both for letting that slide but if the boss goes on your route and finds 3-4 off code you get a reprimand. Go Figure

This Co. is famous for keeping the people that cost them millions in lost lawsuits.If you are not in mgmnt. and you cost the Co. a couple of bucks consider yourself GONE.

to Anonymous in Hodgkins, Ill Why are the working people winning these law suits? Because their law suits have merrit. Because the company has taken advantage of the workers and broken laws. Because the workers are finally standing up and saying enough is enough. If the union won't stand behind the workers, the lawyers will. And it seems if the workers are winning the law suits then the company should start making some changes in the way they conduct themselves.

What is the problem with the management of this company? Why are there so many lawsuits? Why are these working people winning these lawsuits from their employers? The answer is simple. BAD MANAGEMENT.

HOW COME IT IS THAT IBC PAID ALL THAT MONEY FOR THE SORE PROGRAM TO SAVE MONEY,ALL THEY HAD TO DO IS LOOK ON HERE. CAUSE THIS MESSAGE BOARD TELL THEM ALL THEY NEED TO KNOW. LIKE THE ONE GUY SAID, "GIVE ME QUALITY PRODUCT TO SELL, LEAVE ME ALONE AND LET ME SELL IT" HEY THERE IS AN IDEA THAT COULD HAVE SAVED THE COMPANY WHAT A MILLION. HOW COME IT IS THAT WE HAVE DEAD WEIGHT LIKE LARRY WARD, KEN STALLINS, THAT DONT DO ANYTHING BUT RIDE AROUND IN A COMPANY CAR, USING COMPANY GAS AND WE CANT EVEN GET ALL THERE STORES TO HONOR THE SALES OR THE SALE PRICE. LOOK KEN IF YOU CANT GET THEM TO HONOR THE PRICE THEN WHY DO WE NEED YOU. OH THERE IS ANOTHER 50,OOO. A YEAR! AND LARRY HOW COME YOU ONLY CAN GET YOUR ACCOUNT TO RUN SPECIALS ON PRIVATE LABLE, IN THE MEETING WE HAD THEY SAID WE WAS GOING TO BE A BRAND FOCUSED COMPANY, ALSO ITS NOT SO SMART TO RUN THESE THREE DAY SALES WHEN WE HAVE TWO DAYS BACK TO BACK. HEY ANYBODY THINK IBC CAN DO WITH OUT HIM ALSO AND SAVE THEM ANOTHER 50,000. WOW I THINK I SHOULD GET SOMTHING OUT OF THIS, HECK I WILL ONLEY CHARGE YOU 100,000 AND THAT INVESTMENT WOULD PAY OFF IN TWO YEARS

23 individuals received a settlement in the Oregon lawsuit. The average was $187,000 but this number is out of whack because 3 of the workers got over $1.5 million apiece.

Check the stocks,they are going down,way down. Lets all thank SOAR for their great job in getting rid of employees and closeing plants.That was really a big help. Instead of being better it is worst. How about those big wigs in corporate i do not hear any of them taking pay cuts and they never will. Star from the top and not from the bottom. Cut the fat from corporate first. SOAR has it all backwards.

IS THE CINCINNATI PLANT CLOSING WE ARE TOLD THAT WE WILL BE GOING TO TWO SHIFTS AS OF JAN 01-03. JUST HAD A BABY AND BOUGHT A NEW HOME , ANY INFORMATION WOULD HELD THANKS

To Detroit, Michigan. It is illegal to post personal information in a public place. I would bet money that's a federal law, I know it's state law in CA. You should start complaining and black out your SS#. As I'm sure you know your SS# should be protected at all costs. If my employer posted my SS# I would be talking to a lawyer. It's this type of stupidity on the part of management and supervisors that brings us all here. You should go ask whoever posted it if you can have their SS# because you want to post it on the internet. Geeze

our e.w.c.(earn work credits) were posted on the wall in our lunch room. all of our social security # were posted with it. this is unexceptable

The company is not making an effort to treat it's employee's like human beings so give them a break? I think not.

This site is becoming very popular with the employees across the country. I recall awhile back there was a promise of a chat room on here, I believe that would be a good idea. In the meantime in the spirit of the holidays lets give the company and management a break and not post any negative comments about them. Happy Holidays! & give them HELL starting 1/02/04.

DAN HAWKINS= a know nothing JERK who is helping to put this company under.

Anyone remeber Mr. Hatch former CEO........in our pre CBC days. any comments from the gallery?? Anyone feeling SOAR these days.........

Hey Loyal Employee...how does it feel to be so alone in such a large crowd?

This is the first time I've looked at this board. I found it while trying to find a way to communicate my sadness with how IBC chose to close the Grand Rapids plant and the absolutely tacky way they handled the whole thing. It won't change a thing, but I feel as many employees that can know how IBC does things, the better. After almost 18 years with IBC, my husband learned about his upcoming job loss on the nightly news. GOOD way to treat faithful and honest workers! The last day of work,,,Dec 2, what were they given as a thank you? A 1lb Dolly Madison Fruit Cake!!!! Do you suppose anyone in the company has a clue that a fruit cake is nothing more than a joke and a slap in the face? My hubby picked up his last paycheck yesterday. The gifts get better. He was given a 3in die cast Butternut Toy van. Man, that is going to sure help us give to 5 kids and 6 grandkids this holiday season! I doubt that any IBC plant or its employees are safe. They have little respect for even the faithful, hard working people. Someone is sitting pretty this holiday season, with plenty of gifts to give. Someone has profitted at our expense.

To Jane Warner: here is the address and phone number of IBC INTERSTATE BAKERIES CORPORATION 12 East Armour Boulevard Kansas City, Missouri 64111 (816) 502-4000 You will probably get the same treatment as the employees that post on this board. You make the call. Someone who pretends to be concerned about you will talk to you. You will hang up feeling that someone is going to take care of the situation. Then when they refuse to talk to you the next 39 times you call you get disgusted and get a lawyer. And it is doubtful that you will be reimbursed for carpet cleaning.

to worried about my job. its called comingle here in boston area nissen bread and wonder had its depots close depots put two brands on one truck layoff salesman truck comes off road.drakes and hostess same over past four years this was done contact paybacks .sunbeam non union will be on union trucks in spring or summer contact time.you get bumped by years.if you have to go to new barn bump low man hope you have many years.

Does anyone know how many employees were involved in the lawsuit that was just settled here. OREGON

Does anyone know how many employees were involved in the lawsuit that was just settled here.

FLUSH!!!! Down the toilet goes the stock price.How long can this co. continue to lose money before bankruptcy follows?Way to go SOARS!! Give them another $50million so they can come up with more dumbass ideas.

I work for Bunny Bread which was purchased by IBC about 3 years ago. Our seniority list has drivers from Defiance and Toledo depots . Rumor has it IBC is going to pull Toledo routes and put Bunny product on Wonder trucks. Toledo Bunny drivers with seniority would then bump Defiance Bunny drivers. Teamster locals are fighting amongst themselves about this issue. What I would like to know is if this has happened anywhere else in the IBC companies. Please post any feedback, it would be greatly appreciated.

Hey Joe M.,I don't know who you are or what position you hold but 99.9% of mngmt. in this Co. would never even have the thoughts much less say,"I just want everyone to be happy " or"we are a team".I am also a 20+ year employee and have witnessed nothing but BS from mngmt.I've seen people retire,putting in 30+ years and on their last week or last day not even get a call from anyone.At first I thought maybe this was just an LA plant thing,but reading the posts from Iowa,North Carolina,Calif.,etc. It sounds like this attitude in mngmt. is company wide.

I am a 20+ year employee of IBC, RALSTON PURINA, and CBC, I love my job and am thankfull for all they have done for me. I just want everyone to be happy and to work together. You know the phone # here in the Glendale branch..call me and lets do lunch.

Gentlemen, I am truly insulted by the fact that some of you are insinuating that the reason for my posts is to try and find out who from the Glendale branch is posting here. I am appalled at these accusations. I don't want to know who you toilet scumsuckers are, I really don't want to know your names... But if you would kindly include your Social Security no. , your home address and telephone no. with your posts I will be forever greatful. Remember we are a team!

Hello J. Montgomery ______________Glendale, California________________________________________________ Your Comment: ................ Anybody that works at the Glendale branch should talk to their supervisiors before posting. We are a team. __________________Therein lies the crux of the problems with this company___________you are not expected to post any comments without talking to your supervisor. PATHETIC!!

IBC today announced that based upon preliminary results for its fiscal second quarter ended November 15, 2003, net sales were down approximately one percent from the prior year and operating income is projected to be approximately 30 percent lower than the prior year.

J. Montgomery ....................we have talked to the supervisors to no avail, we will continue to use this site to air our complaints. Plus I believe the purpose of your post is to find out who has been posting for the past several months.

do any of you track this stuff? nothing about making the product better, too bad. http://www.corporate-ir.net/ireye/ir_site.zhtml?ticker=IBC&script=410&layout=-6&item_id=475899

Be yourself, honestly from your heart and maybe others will undersant..

Anybody that works at the Glendale branch should talk to their supervisiors before posting. We are a team.

why must you close the outlet stores! I know that walmart will begin distibuting wonder bread but still, people want there outlets, they search us out and are loyal to shopping with us. Then they come to find the store gone!

closing all plants in bidderford there is only one.

To the Charlotte poster, You must be in management to know all that but I agree with you 100%. If the employees and managemnt can ork together to get a good quaility product out, then maybe IBC will rebound.

We are closing all the plants in Biddeford, Maine on 12-31-2003

Hey BeepBeep, I sleep very well at night, thank you for your concern. My husband has probably forgotten more about his job than you are capable of learning about yours. And his situation is now totally under control. His control.

To: Anonymous with the comment about the literacy of some of the posters on this site...." I am sitting HEAR"?. You most definitely are management material!!!!

Why is it that plants do not let supervisors go back to a route but they will let a routeman be a supervisor???? Someone PLEASE answer This !!!!!!! There good enough to oversee a multimillion dollar operation BUT not good enough to RUN A ROUTE!!!!! WHERE'S THE COMMON SENSE IN THAT.

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lady tell your hubby to shut up or find another job.keep a log ? how to you sleep at night?

If you lay on the floor and look like a rug, people are bound to walk on you. About the complaints from the rank and file I see here everyday. While venting in this forum lets you pop off a bit of pent up steam, it would be far better for all you guys to be more pro active in your jobs/careers. ?Try? following your chain of command when you have issues on your job. I know it won?t work having been that road with my husband, but it makes your case stronger when you go the next step. Follow your grievance procedures and file a grievance when you have been treated unfairly by IBC superiors. Make sure that you do all your complaining in writing and send it certified so you have a record that they got it. Also keep in mind that the Union Reps work for you. You pay their salaries and you are entitled to have your concerns heard no matter how busy your Union Rep is. Your Union Rep doesn?t have the right to cuss at you either and if he does I would make sure the union upper crust is aware of it. I have listened to my husband complain for years about certain situations. I have seen how policies are carried out and told him that those policies were illegal. The common response was that it was ok because it was in the union contract. Well let me tell you, just because it's in your union contract doesn't make it legal. All of you need to take steps to correct what is wrong with where you work. As long as everyone just complains about it and does nothing, you can expect nothing to change. When the company fails you, go to the Union. Some situations you should go directly to the union. Don?t meet with management unless you have your shop steward or other union representation there. Keep a daily journal of what occurs at your depot. If you have a problem on your route jot it down in your journal when it happens. Never leave your work journal in your truck when you go home. I guarantee it won?t be there the next day. Keep all notes handed to you from your supervisor. I was amazed at how handy these were to have. Any notes posted on your company board should be copied and kept in a secure place. I could go on for days, but it boils down to be pro active with your job and always keep your butt covered.

sales reps to be punching timecards in the near future? guess they want to make sure we are working our 70+ hours per week. yeah that will turn this company around

I have been an IBC employee for many years and have been converned about our company for the last few years. First of all i am very worried about the ESL formulation .. I think it is the root cause for many of the problems that we are experiencing now. I have eaten bread from three different IBC plants and it isn't nearly as good now as before ESL. I feel that the company is wondering why sales are down and hired a consulting team to find out why ... hence the birth of SOAR. Project SOAR does implement several excellent ideas IMHO, the best idea from SOAR is the creation of the cost centers, which will hopefully have a positive effect on quality and profit. The aspect of Cost Centers that I like is the bakeries making certain products. ERx. one bakery will make the 240z Old Fashion needed for their cost center, another bakery makes all the Pullman bread needed for the cost center. This should have a positiver impact on quality due to our being able to fine tune a product / have much fewer changeovers. I just still do not think that this will overcome the shortfalls of ESL. IBC is a good company that in my opinion, is making some bad business decissions, that may lead to a devestated future.

By the way, a minority worker can advance in this world if he wants to... It's up to him, so stop blaming it on IBC...

All I wanna say is that alot of you guys sound really ignorant ... I mean, do you actually realize how many people would commit a crime to have your job?!? I'm young, but Holsum pays pretty good money if you ask me... By the way, I'm not racist at all... But I can't stand a black man always complaining about a white man doing him wrong... I'm not saying that it doesn't happen, but don't blame any of us white people today for putting your relatives into slavery hundreds of years ago... That's over! Drop it! I would suggest you guys count your blessings and then you'll really see how God has blessed and you is going to continue to bless you giving you a way to provide for your family... Once again, I could care less about this company. I just want my check just like the rest of you guys, but think about it, you're not at war, you're not on the street... You are employed... Stop acting like idiots...

Let's be very clear on a few things. This company does not make a quality product anymore and it is not the best place for a minority worker if they believe they want to advance in their career. However if you want a check every week that can provide a living for you and your family and can put up with all the B.S. then this place is as good and probably better than most. This site is good for the worker to sound off about their frustrations, however nothing will change.....EVER! So keep the site up and hope that the investors and consumers do not find this site in their web searches because...if I was a consumer and read these comments posted here I would not buy any IBC product and I would discourage all friends and acquantacies to do the same.

Hey Leroy, why are you going here to complain? Come to me so we can talk.

I ain't gonna call whites peoples names no more. I be gonna respectin people here. I ain't goin to no HR departmnt, they ain't gonna like me to talk nothin bout my boss.

Leroy, Your supervisor shouldn't be calling you boy but that's no worse than you coming on here and bad mouthing white people. It makes you just as guilty as your supervisor that calls you boy. Discrimination, bias, prejudice, bigotry and intolerance work?s both ways. You don?t have a clue what color/race/religion the people posting here are so you don?t know who?s doing what complaining.

I tell y'all who gonna take care of me, that boss of mine calls me ''boy'' one mo time and he be takin care of me. cuz I'm gonna takim down. my torney tole me he gonna takim down. Im gonna have so much cash, I gonna open my own web place.

To: j, You may think this website is irresponsible but far more damaging to the company is the Yahoo financial website. That site is normally used by potential investors and all the information they get from is is that handed out by the bunch of semi-literate IBC union goons who have hijacked it and use it for a chat room! Stop and think......Who actually reads this site? What harm is done by a bunch of unhappy people airing their gripes?

Hey J you did ask for specifics. You wanted to know EXACTLY what the law suit was about. Your post didn't ask for any thing general. You wanted to know EXACTLY what the suit was about. Are you in HR???? Here's what you asked, Name: j Location: Comment: exactly what was your lawsuit over?

j: You really need to come out of that little bubble you have been working in and seek out a bit of reality from some of those folks who work in the trenches at IBC. If you honestly think that the average worker is able to complain and resolve conflicts with HR effectively without repercussions, then I suggest you remove those rose colored glasses you are looking through!

J: I didn't say you worked for IBC. I said; To J, post your name, address, phone numer, location where you work, job title, who you report to and I'll tell you what the law suit was about. Nothing hostile about that. I don't know you anymore than you know me. Why would I share my information with a stranger? The suit is public record so knock yourself out. But there are so many suits against IBC right now your gonna have a little trouble defining which is which. And FYI the job of HR is not Mediation. The job of an HR professional is to administer to the employees, that is not what IBC HR does. Mediation is for the Union.

i am sick of all the talk about human resources and safety people they are all on the companies side 100 percent why else would they have their offices right inside the plants, they are there because most of ibc's management staff dosen't know the labor laws and rules and regulations, they are not schooled in this aspect so h r and safety are there mainly to prevent ibc from having so many law suits filed on them.Where are H R offices located just down the hall from the plant managers office,who do they go to lunch with you or management who do they play golf with you or management who do they mingle with every day at work you or plant management, now if you were in their shoes who you going to stand behind the people you know and see every day or someone you don't know and probably will never see or meet at all plus the people they know are always bad mouthing the lower class workers for this co. and that builds an image in H R departments heads that the employee's are bad people

I can't speak for the other depts. As for the sales dept. all I can say is quit screwing around,get off my back,and just let me go out and sell. That is the bottom line in our business,right? Quit coming up with stupid and dumb ideas that only preventing me from doing my job,which is to maximize sales in my area. This business is easy,sell as much as possible,keep your returns down to a minumum.Not every area is alike,not every store is alike,not every rack location in every store alike.So,if you've(mngmt.) done your job properly and trained me correctly,get out of the way and let me do my job.This company micro-manages everything and everybody to the point where we are today.You are paying me good money to go out and sell,so just let me do my job. It's the old school way that used to work,remember? REACTION!!

Bottom line, No employee has the right to be sworn at or threatened in any way by a authority figure, I dont feel it should be tollerated either.. There is a respect guidline you must follow to management and the same respect should be given to employees..

I didn't ask specifics, general - HR, Safety, Workers Comp etc. Pretty hostile reply from you though, which leads me to believe it doesn't exist at all. It would be public record and either way I could find out. It was just a question. Further more I never said I worked for IBC

twinkies.com has a place to contact IBC

To J, post your name, address, phone numer, location where you work, job title, who you report to and I'll tell you what the law suit was about.

exactly what was your lawsuit over?

Perhaps there should be a number printed, but that doesn't change the fact that this site does not get the complaints to the proper department. Hope your lawsuit got you what you wanted, because I have seen lawyers settle their clients right out of a job, to the employees dismay. Lawsuits don't solve problems, just drain company resources. The money lines the lawyers pockets, not the empoyees. Last but not least stop being a victim, empower yourself enough that if this company really doesn't suit your needs find another one that does.

I'm here, not cencered. All my posts go up within seconds of posting them. I have been taking care of a family member who was in the hospital. The only time my posts don't go up is if I don't put in a location.

To the person who posted this: Been there done that, followed the procedures as well as the chain of command. then I filed suit. :) There are other websites to post on that don't mislead consumers. And again if Maria is not handling your problem, or your supervisor keep going up the ladder. These are the only people who have the capabilities to create change. They can't spend there time surfing the web hoping to stumble across websites where employees complain. There are processes in place to protect employees who ask for help. I think managements commitment to SOAR shows they realize the company as a whole has problems, sometimes it is management, sometimes it is disgruntled employees who refuse to take a stand. If there is truly a problem, a legitimate problem not whining, go to whatever level of management necessary to fix it. There are programs and people in place to help. I have seen it happen.

Leroy, you is the only peoples who is gonna takes care of yous.

I don't believe the stuff yous white peoples are complainin about, man theres crimination goin on here. thats more important than anything else. you people be complaining all the small stuff. who gonna take care of me.

Some of the people on our SOAR committee are the same people who have put us in the condition that this company currently is in. All IBC did was put the wolves to guard the hen house.

There are other websites to post on that don't mislead consumers. And again if Maria is not handling your problem, or your supervisor keep going up the ladder. These are the only people who have the capabilities to create change. They can't spend there time surfing the web hoping to stumble across websites where employees complain. There are processes in place to protect employees who ask for help. I think managements commitment to SOAR shows they realize the company as a whole has problems, sometimes it is management, sometimes it is disgruntled employees who refuse to take a stand. If there is truly a problem, a legitimate problem not whining, go to whatever level of management necessary to fix it. There are programs and people in place to help. I have seen it happen.

This is for " j " the reason employees post to this site is because their supervisor or boss does not listen to them. There my way or the hiway attitude does not do employee management relations any good. This is why this site must remain up so that employees can vent and just maybe someone in IBC upper management will realize that they really do have a employee / management problem. There's no other place where IBC employees can go to complain or suggest ideas to problems. Forget about the HR dept. they will spread your name around and you will be labeled as a trouble maker. In IBC there is a lot of negative floating around everywhere, non-union people not having as good of benifits as the union person, the union employee being abused by management, not a good mix for a company trying to pull things together when there is so must resistance?

This is the most irresponsible website I have yet to lay my eyes on. First of all it misleads consumers because in their posting they frequently say "I just wanted to let you know..." They aren't letting anyone know who can fix the problem. Second it encourages employees to write in and complain instead of taking constructive action to fix the problem. Both consumers and employees should go up the chain of command until they get results. Third, it misleads everyone into thinking this is the only place to voice concerns when there are message boards on yahoo and aol. Finally it proliferates ignorance. Many of the new positions posted since SOAR are safety and human resources, so IBC is listening, the focus of these two departments are employees. One protects and trains and the other mediates. These are the proper places to voice concerns.

How would it feel if your boss cussed at you all the time, management needs to learn professionalism, stop cussing at your employees, MORRONS....

The webmaster deleted some of my posts and said it contained FOUL language when I emailed them asking why. Also sent me this that he said is posted on the site...."Submissions to this site will be posted at the sole discretion of the site owner." ...........Actually did have some choice word about my Boss but I thought this was a free speech site!

Hey all you "JERKS" that think that the owner of this site screans the post before he post them are "WRONG" every post goes up 2 seconds after you click send. DIDN'T YOU NOTICE THAT? YOU MORON. Keep this site up IBC might make a better product and treat there employees better because of this site. Then again after all thier lawsuits are done the might have to sell and give this compnay back to CBC.

Where are "Dingus Dong" and "An Employee's Wife"? Are you censuring their comments? Bring them back, please.

I wonder how many bonuses going to be handed out to incompetant managment this year while we lay off valuable workers!!How about pinkslips?

Merita autumn grain bread taste bad now because we changed the receipe......we had to make it so it would last 30 days on the shelf...not the 3 days it should be. Now we have no stale to pick up and we make more money. We don't care about freshness or if the customers are happy and will come back for more....we only care about us.

Here is a comment I posted last month and it is still true (BTW, why did the comments go to December so soon?)___________There is a reason IBC does not put a telephone number on their packages, they are playing the odds. If a number was readily available it would cost them an additional $3-4 million dollars a year in product replacement, staffing and so on...So they leave the number off and understand that only a few consumers will take the time to look up a number or an address to send in a complaint. Anyway, here is the complaint number_________(800) 777-8067

To loyal employee: I believe you may be correct in stating that most of the employee complaints on this site are caused by a relatively few people whether with or without merit, however, my concern is the large number of customer complaints posted here largely by people who simply want to complain but don't know where to go to complain effectively. It takes a little effort to hunt for and lodge a product complaint about a product and the dissatisfied customer doing so on this site is not having his particular problem resoved or even acknowledged. Some of these complaints appear to be somewhat serious (foreign objects in food) and should definitely warrant further followup action. These problems could be eased by simply adding an 800 number on the packaging. These problems add up and we can ill afford to alienate more of the people who pay our salaries.

Were looking good,happy holidays to all.