Hey Kansas Cityguy the code of bussiness conduct and ethics only applies to the rank and file it doe'nt apply to management they on live by "DO WHAT I SAY NOT AS I DO" most are low lifes any way. Its just a matter of time before they are forced to sell or go Bankrupted.

Hostess in LA if you had a iQ you would be dangerous.

Hey M.B. have you read this? I can't believe you still have a job. This came from IBC"s Code of Business Conducts and Ethics. http://www.corporate-ir.net/ireye/ir_site.zhtml?ticker=IBC&script=2250 Standards of Conduct 1. Employees shall exercise honesty, objectivity, and diligence and act ethically in the performance of their duties and responsibilities. Employees shall be ever mindful of their obligation to maintain the high standards of competence, morality and dignity. You're a disgrace!

To The Person That Wants Me To Give Details On The Thieves I Think I Might Know Who You Are ...Maybe I Do Maybe Not.. If You Are Who I Suspect You Might Be Feel Free To Post Your Email And I Will Get In Touch With You.

Any truth to the rumor of a class action in southern CA?

hello joe montgom hope you are enjoying your retirement but a word for the wise watch what you say on this site you never know who is reading this i would hate to see your pension dissapear so how is life going in vegas boy i bet your home doubled in value (good job ) well have a good retirenment your friend corey brinkley

1 more day and this month will be over. I finally figured out why IBC chooses not to file a lawsuit to take this sie down. They will violate the Internet commandment to ignore obscure critics, otherwise they will set in motion a chain of events that could grow much bigger than something they could handle. But I notice the number of posts are getting smaller each month, maybe there will only be a few next month and these guys will take this site down anyway.

There you go.

I Really Would Like To Give Initials And The Location But If It Gets Out And The Company Does Nothing To Theses Thieves I would End Up Having To Call The Union, The Police And A Lawyer For All The Harrasment I Would Have To Face. But Something Needs To Be Done....Actually Should Have Been Done A Long Time Ago.

Well we do not have to worry about any racial discrimination lawsuits here in the Northwest, the city POLICE is stationed here at the bakery to prevent any uprisings. Apparently the blacks here are not waiting for this to go through the courts they are taking action NOW! This looks like the films of the South in the 60's when they were trying to intergrate the schools. What a Mess!

Hey Richard Lewis, I noticed that you don't have the balls to say where your from or where your working. Little bit of a double standard eh?

WHOOO DOGGEEY ????????

To the asshole in LA, why don't you go spend your last IBC paycheck on some good drugs, the drugs you are on now don't help your stupid-ass attitude. The people in the Billings plant have more class than you will ever think of having. Go smoke another joint loser.

Are you and are the thieves paid out of columbus or cinci

Give me location and initials.

i cant very well give too many facts and or names here on the message board for fear of reprisal.

To the guy in Cinci that says theft is going on, why don't you give us a bit more info - you never know who' s reading and what they can do with the facts.

I see alot of comments about billings and from what i understand the transportation is up for contract judging fom this site many are posting....no wonder ,Back in the day a truck driver was a "TRUCK DRIVER" not anymore. Ive never seen so much "poor me stuff" from a group before.What next.... a soda fountain in your cab...surround sound stereo..100k a year.Alot of jobs are tough in this industry not just yours.This country and its workforce is goin down hill including the teamsters.

Anyone seen the teamsters union? Has anyone seen them at your work site? Hoffa and his disappearing union coming to a hall near you .Can you say "SELLOUT"

Hey you mountain hicks in Billings,Mt. you hillbillies are done.Don't you see the writing on the wall? WHOOO DOGGEEY! Now get off my website.

I would like to say I'm sorry for you customers who look at this site. I know the products of this company used to be the best. The company used to care what you people thought but now they have the attitude take it or leaves it. They don't care what customers think , it is like if you don't care go some where else. I think IBC has taken the public for granted and it is going to cost them.

Hi lakewood ,Washington. I second your comments on the new management team. How are they going to improve the company if they are the same incompetent people asking the same stupid questions ???

Everyone get ready the games are about to begin. New fiscal year. Lots of new people in new jobs that have to prove themselves. Don't be surprised if you have more than one boss asking the same stupid questions about something that doesn't amount to a hill of beans. Everybody stick around because this is going to be interesting and amusing to say the least. Another question is how much did IBC have to pay Accenture to come in and tell us what we already know?

To Jack and his new found friends, Homo? Queer? LOL what a pathetic attempt at a pot shot. You do not know anything about me. I am one of the top producers in my area, maintain a stale rate below 6% consistently, win performance contests about 50% of the time while competing against 80 some other route drivers and have been approached by 4 other companies (2 of which are competing bakery companies) but I am sticking with IBC for the time being as I do not job hop unless I can secure a substancially better payscale/benefit package. I have 3 kids and a wife 19 months away from her RN license. I take the plus outs, short code, late transports and get the job done. I have enough customer rapport to deliver to any store at any time. Two years and my job dissapears and I am left crying? Hardly, I would simply move on to another company that already has my resume, or take a few months off and build that deck my wife has always wanted. Avoid broad generalisations when addressing others, looking like a pretentious insulting ass is unattractive in any setting.

Richard Lewis you sound like a little weasel.

to Ho Ho its not grounds for dismissal. but then again they have differnt rules for differnt people. what will get you fired is not calling your immediate supervisor ASAP or another supervisor from another depot or even your DM to come to the scene, so they can take you for a drug test. I didnt wait for the police, but then i had to go later and fill out a report.

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Deb you should hear the way Lang talks abouts Billings HR dept. He said "Iwon't take orders from those two bitches in HR I will do what I want and they can't do any thing about it."This man needs help

Pucker Up You have hit the nail on the pin head . Crow is one big butt sniffer !!!! I also have come to one conclusion....Jack is Deneice's husband and Crow is thier daughter..Could that be possible?

Hey HoHo, depends on the circumstances...Have you called the Hector the wonderless Union Rep? If not I would even though he will probably say, "What the fark were you thinking???" Was there anyone at the depot to report it to? Was anyone hurt? Were you hurt? If so you need to file a work comp claim (another IBC joke). At the very least I think I would make a police report, we all know that the cops dont come running for every LA fender bender.

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If A Sales Rep Has An Accident While Driving Route Truck And Doesnt Stay Around To Fill Out Accident/Police Report Is This Grounds For Dismissal?

give em hell frado

Crow and LA at least we say it up front instead of kissing ass. So Bite Me.

Lang;s problems could be alcohol related. He has a very negative attitude . He also has a very quick temper and has a hard time controling his anger.. He is also arrogant and critical of the companies policies saying that they don;t apply to him..it appears that he also maybe in over his head as sales have fallen sharply sense he has taken over we have had several route cut because of it.

To: Jack and LA Hostess....I agree, those people in Billings are just a BUNCH of bawl bab ies that need to direct their energy to doing their jobs instead of ripping on Randy, Larry, Deb and god knows who's next? Billings....Go away and take I.P. Freely and Red Dogger with you...

Hey you guys from Billings,Mt. are becoming annoying as this famous poster named Deniece who used to write about her wonderful husband. All I hear from you guys is Randy did this ,Randy did that,blah,blah,blah. SHUT UP!!!!!

this company will be sold. It won't be because of the rank and file working class, it will be because of the lack of strong management and human resources. And to the person who wrote to IB Free and Red Duke, Your lack of Intelligence is really showing with that last post Jack. Your age is also showing because no one under the age of 50 uses the word "homo". I surmise that your an old fart with a fat belly and bald head that you comb over strands of hair that grow from your ears to cover the bald spot. Yeah your a real piece of work.

I was just there and didn't see any police?

Washington, lakewood bakery Armed police at entrances and exits? is this for real? what the heck for?

IBC's drug and alcohol policy applies to everyone including the P.C. Lead, Area Managers, DSM's., DM's etc. down the line. Anyone who has an accident or injury is required to be tested period. Larry Lang and Randy need to be randomly tested just like anyone else. Someone in Billings needs to talk to Tony Reno about the behavior issues going on up there.

This company will not deal with the poor management in Billings .Deb with her holier than thou arrogant attitude .She should have been gone long ago she is so insensitive to everyone in a rank and file positi It appears that there are some serious issues that need to be adressed in management and she does not haue the ability to deal with them. She is in way over her head. Does the company have a policy on chemical dependency if so why have you not dealt with Larry Lang as it appears that he may have some issues with this. Are warning letters only issued to the workers or do they apply to management to? Maybe we will need to get law enforcement involved.

I saw Randy gunning for a new driver last year and this year. David is an alright guy to me. He pushes the rules but does not break them. I would hate to see Randy continuing to push his buttons. You see David is a younger guy and can find a driving job anywhere. So I dont think he would bat an eye at thumping Randy a bit.

Randy is the transport manager.

Whoever the driver is who would like to throw Randy Kuehn out of a window, Damn, thats harsh, I like it. I just wonder how can that little bastage or his brother or Wiesgarber or any of them suck up little pissants sleep at night with all the shit they pull? Those people are ruining this company, and its a damn shame. As for the jackasses who keep saying quit your bitching, or if you hate your job that much just quit, I say to you, I like my job so piss off if I voice my concerns and dream about beating the piss out of Randy. I can dream can't I?

Outsource sales they may get it right from Maylasia or india. You guys sure cant do it from day to day here in town...........overbake = hog feed wasted transportaion, ingredient waste ...........Nabisco is ready to scoop up the west coast .

That is great news. Now maybe we can all figure out our pay checks for once.

Beware, changes are coming. Yes, jobs ARE being out-sourced! Accenture already took over the IT dept in KCMO and they will be taking on the newly centralized accounting dept with other depts. to follow. Accenture has customer service reps in Malaysia (via a Houston address). All of this is confirmed information.

Deb you must be proud the billings plant lets in posts on this board the names that come up the most yours randy's larry lang;s ,lapdog ,mike connell, boy now that leadership

Hey Mitch do you remember what we used to do on the roof?

The only reason Billings is so bad is because management is very bad. They do not know what team work is all about. They think employees are slaves and we work on the plantation. When you have the egos that they have its hard to look down your nose.

Biddeford Boy---maybe you could straighten out Billings with all your knowledge? They have a real problem it sounds like? I guess we have better management here in the East Coast? Are they telling your people to lay down the Baker's Inn?

Hey Maine! You are one dumb S.O.B. It is guys like yourself that will lead the dumb asses to glory!!!! Get a life you loser----Crow

Hey Jack You are a babbling Fool !!!!! Nobody on this site (except Crows Breath ) gives a rats ass about you or your opinion !!!! We deal with know it alls like you all day long .Most of us are immune to your kind . Oh Yah , now that you know all there is to know about the bread buisness....move on . In other words GO AWAY , and take the Crow with you ...................

Hey Sales Rep Wipe that brown stuff off your nose !!!!!

Truckers I have seen Randy come up thru the ranks. I never seen a guy cut so many throats in my life. He is a hot tempered little boy with no balls. It must run in his family as his brother Steve is the same way. When a person is like that they have no confidence in their self to use their own abilites to make it. It is sad that they have to cut people down to make it in this world.

Has the plant been sold to U.S. Bakery (Snyders) from Washington State if it has we can thank Mike Connell it seem where ever they sent him the plants are eiyher closed or sold .Is there a black cloud that follows him from plant to plant?

I would like to adress the issue of the poor leadership the DSM Larry Lang has most accounts don't want any thing to do with him because of his pushy attitude . several of my accounts wonder why anyone would work for such an angry man , You never know what will set him off he has a very short fuse it appears that he is unqualfied for the postion that he has we have lost several account due to him . I agree with the person that said may need a mental health and chemical dependency evaluation and follow any recommendations they make.

Outlaw! Get some backbone. What is this guy Randy? A DSM or what? Stand up for your brother teamster. I can't believe you people let them treat you like that. Contact the PC Lead person--Ben Burnett is his name and he won't allow that behaviour in Billings (his area) or any place else. Quit hiding on the message board and stand up for yourselves. GEEZ!!!

Message for Jack! You seem to intelligent for being a route sales person. Yes, the unions will bargain the route people out of a job. I don't suppose they have heard of drop shipment to stores. Look at the beverage companies, they run semi-tractor-trailers to dispense with the labor of loading and unloading trucks like bread men do. When the labor costs get to the right point, they will start dealing with the big chains to drop ship the product and bye bye route sales reps. You will not be needed at the high rate of pay for IDIOTS that do nothing but complain about jobs they are not qualified to do anyway. Bottom line--that is why the union is trying to get you dumb asses to accept a contract before you get nothing at all but unemployment and they lose sthe dues they don't deserve. JACK YOU HAVE HIT THE NAIL ON THEIR PIN-HEADS.

Just out of curiosity , Did Randy get a letter for wrecking a company vehicle a while ago. If the bakery does sale , maybe it will be sold to US Bakery(Snyders) since they are kicking our asses in western Mt. Our union is weak. But us as drivers need to make it strong and stand there before the problems with Ray and address them directly. Problems like Deb and Randy. Issues like frivilous letters. Favortism. If the bakery is sold , maybe these two people will be removed from their jobs as well. I enjoy my job as a driver, but yes I admitt that on a few occasions I have wanted to beat the piss out of Randy and throw him out of his window. Randy , you are not GOD. Quit acting like you are. Someday it will happen. You will get thumped. There are drivers here who will not cower like Ric George did. You should have been fired for that. Guaranteed if I or someone else put our hands on an employee in anger , we are out of there. Pace yourself , cause your sand is running out quickly.

Here in Southeast our base is $206, 10% comm. on brand names, 6% comm. on private label. I'll let you guess which we sell more of. OH OH, what do I win??????

Yes I heard that Frito Lay is trying to buy IBC

this site is for people who want to vent . For this company to give shit you could write a novel and then they would tell you to go toHELL. They don't care because their pockets are full even tho company is going belly up.

I read stuff people put on this site and am amazed! This is not an easy job but we as sale reps would have a lot less problems if we go out and do our best job to deliver fresh product and give the customers(accounts and buyers) what they want. Then maybe you will find mangement could be your friend and Boss at the same time. If you do it right on the route things will work out in the best way possible. Get a life and Get a new job!!!!!!!!!!!!

I called the hotline once and it was followed up on by my supervisor writing me up for bogus stale on my route...what did I learn...don't call the hotline.

So true

So true

plenty of people would like to make what we make but they would not go through what we do to make it

Jack, Well, apparently you are not in management and are altogether ignorant of the nature of this business, you can outsource delivery jobs by fact of geographical location. There is not a way for IBC to outsource delivery of bread to Salina Kansas to someone in Chimichanga Mexico for example, think about that for a second, the burning is your forehead after slapping it in an epiphany of an underwhelming nature. Also due to basic logistics the bread must be baked within a reasonable distance else it will be over a week old by the time depots would receive it. Add to that the enormous cost involved in trucking and this little thing called the FDA and you will come to the conclusion our jobs will not be outsourced by the nature of this business, (you might want some aspirin at this point, or instead of slapping your head just stare on dumbly). Despite the various shipping mishaps, production snafus etc... IBC deals in fresh product and therefore is not capable of outsourcing our employment to India, Taiwan, Mexico etc. As a routeman my job is in absolutely NO danger of being farmed out to someone who makes $5 a week. You really should have some elementary grasp of the basic operations of a business before you go making an ass of yourself on an employee opinion message board.

Lapdog---please comment on the posts from Billings . What do you think will happen wiyh the Billings plant and the contract ?What do you think of teamsters local 190 ?

To The People That Get On This Message Board And Defend Management . Sounds Like They Are In Management Or Are Married To A Manager. If The Management Is The Cream Of The Crop Then Why Do They Steal The Company Blind? Now Not All That Are In Management Are Thieves, Of Course Not. But The Ones That Do Steal Are Low Life Scum Mainly Because They Are Stealing From The Sales Reps. Some Of Them Have Filed For Bankruptcy Yet Continue To Steal Full Steam Ahead... On A Related Subject Has Anyone Called The Hotline With A complaint Of Theft And Gotten Any Results?. If So Please Post . Thanks

well jack if you really knew what you were talking about you would know the the real reason companies are sending jobs overseas is that they dont want to pay the people that are doing the work anything so that everyone in upper management can make a hell of alot more money than the deserve. i know this becouse i worked for levi strauss and as soon as nafta was signed into law they started shutting down plants and sending the work overseas and down to mexico i know this is the reason becouse i was in management for them at that time . i now work for ibc here in florida and i must tell you that you are right about one thing and that is that all these people who post on this site about how much they hate this company and how much this company sucks should job quit and find another one ...oh and by the way before anyone asumes that i am in management with this company let me assure you i am not i run a route that by the way is one of those combo routes all you guys and gals have ben bitching about and let me tell you that it works great we carry bread and cake here with no problem besides it is more money for us

any truth to the rumor of a class action in southern ca?

are the only people who post on this site from Billngs,Mt.?Anybody from LA have any juicy storys like they do in Billings? Anyway Cinncinati we only get $487 base + 8% comm. here in socal.But before anybody thinks we are doing good,the average price for homes here is $425,000. Gas is$2.40 a gal.

Big news June 1st the Billings plant will be sold is there any truth to that statement? Ask lapdog he should know he knows everything or is he keeping quiet for a reason that little pissant is to busy kissing ass to tell his fellow workers any thing

Any one out there at the Glendale plant? what are we not getting this week so we can prepare. To everyone in calif who gets buns and dogs from the state of the art bakery Henderson, you can bet your not getting most of what you ordered. they are way WAY behind already.

Hey Cupcake you are right. It is Corporate office who don't give a shit about all employees and management in plants. Buy alot of management who have been making good money ,are scared of losing their jobs. Most would have quite A financial burden if they didn't do what upper management told them to do. They got them self in that position not your loyal every day hard worker. This company has no backbone.

Deb ,the comments on this board are right Larry Lang should get a mental-health evaluation and obtain a chemical dependency evaluation and follow any recommendations for his own good . Deb this problem just appears to get worst as time goes on just do your job or are you affair of him

Anonymous I Agree With You. I Have Been In Union For Years And Am Not A Fan Of The Corruption Of The Unions And The Last Two Contracts We Have Signed Sucked To High Heaven. But IBC Is Just As Crooked Or More So As The Union. I know For A Fact Of Management Theft Continously And Alerted Plant Manager Who Did NOTHING!!!! Even Sent A Fax To K.C. Detailing The Theft But Then I Realized That I Sent Evidence About A Thief To A Group Of Thieves. If The Info About Theft Was On A Sales Rep You Can Bet Your Ass He Would Have Been Investigated And Fired.

Well Jack You Obviously Are In Management As Your Ignorant Comments Expose You. Management Does Little Or No Work, Crys And Bitches If Someone Calls In That They Wont Be In For Work , They Gab On The Phone All Day And Steal Every Nckel They Can Get Their Hands On. IBC Must Find A Way To Keep As Many Of These Valuable Ass-etts As They Can.

I'm sooo confused. What part of we like our job but we can't understand why management does what it does don't people understand? I don't see employees posting here that they hate their jobs. I do see posts out of frustration because we aren't allowed to do our jobs. I am pretty sick of the Jacks who post here and tell us to get another job and talk about how the only thing that protects us is the union. I joined the union because it was the only way I could work for this company 20 plus years ago. It certainly wasn't because I was a great fan of the corrupt union. But now the company is just as corrupt and someone needs to fix it. I am sick of the Jackoffs telling me to find another job because there's a line waiting for mine. I hear that from management on a daily basis you jerk.

TO JACK: If you don't like what you read here, WHY DO YOU READ IT? (site was created for employees and consumers - read entire site!) And I HATE to burst your egotistical bubble, but unions are NOT the reason companies go to other countries...it's called "child labor laws"..........any 10th grader can figure that one out. Also, if you think that the employee's are overpaid, that they don't have to have any skills........I'm sorry, did you say your name was Jack-A**??????? You have to be in some sort of management to think that way. The backbone of ANY company is it's labor force. And until YOU have worked the possition you so arrogantly scorn, you have no idea of what the job entails. One other question..................if you think this company and their products suck so bad, why are you so interested in this board????????

Deb it may be helpful to get Larry Lang a mental-health evaluation his anger seem to be getting the best of him it could be a subance abuse problem He needs help

Jack you sound like management if you don't like it quit .You management assholes are all alike that why this company is in so much trouble. Your real good at doing nothing but blameing others for your shortcomings .

Jack you are a jackass who ifyou aren't management you got your head stuck somewhere the sun doesn't shine.

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boys out west 265 base 10 1/4% here in northeast.

union union why some hate it beats me.3500 month pension free health 850 per year kicked in a savings 12000 so far nothing on my behalf.5 weeks time off.20,000 a year low number company pays for.yes union gives back to ibc but must to get.you vote them in vote them out as we did ups people in now .fasted contract signed i ever saw.we will sold before 3years time.they are cutting the fat before the kill non union lay offs plant closings nothing stays the same in life make it and enjoy it now.i will pay $40 per month for my union bosses.you can work at walmart for $8 per hour.thank you jeff padellero dennis raymond new england bakery council

Our Base Py Is $281.00 And Commision Is 8.3/8 Percent And We Took A cut On Vend Cake To 5%. Horrible.

Sound like they are talking about Larry Lang the sales manager in Bismarck

Boy Billings I feel sorry for you guys. Sounds like your HR manager is from down below. Somebody who doesn't care about people and by working against the federal labor law , you will have alot answer to when your day comes. I feel sorry for you because you got to screw people over just because of your ego.

here are some words to decribe billings management arrogant;critical; egotistical; insensitive; mean; unfair;power hungry; dictator;double stanard in handing out discipline and the strongest possible discipline for even minor mistakes; favoritism ; "do as i say not as i do" Manipluative ; liitle encouragement or recognition;no clear direction on what they want done;"keep your mouth shut and your eyes closed on what goes on here;Deb you should be proud that you have allowed the plant to be managed this way.

Lap dog stop the asskissing

typical teamster contract sell the rank and file short then tell them how good thiscontract is then increase the union dues. then disappaer until the contract expires . how adressing the real issues of dignity and respect that the rank and file deserves TEAMSTERS UNION SELLS MEMBERS SHORT HAS A COZY RELATIONSHIP WITH MANAGEMENT

I think our base pay sucks out here (321)along with teamsters local 14 piece a ? union.For all the damn hours I work out here we should get the same base pay as cali.not to mention but we are always short products for our Casino's&they expect us to deliver the product on our day off.

TERMS OF NORTHEAST CONTRACT SIGNED SUNDAY PENSION 421 431 446 3RD YEAR SALESMAN 10 DOLLAR BASE 1/4% COMMISSION HOURLY 45 50 55 INSURANCE SAME NO COPAYS FREE .

what the rumor in billings . Has the plant been sold ?. to who? please let us know on this board as the out of twon routes are the last to know

Now Big Jerry lead us to the promise land but forget bringing Mark with you. He has time and again cut you down in the break room . Just ask anybody that is on break when he comes in. He drinks coffee and smokes for about a hour and a half when he comes in. Anybody that cuts down management like he does doesn't deserve to be patr of the team.

NOW FOR SALE THE BILLINGS PLANT GOING GOING GONE SOLD TO THE COMPANY ON THE LEFT COAST. NEXT ITEM FOR SALE THE TEAMSTERS UNION WHO WILL START THE BIDDING.

Be Glad that your union, You get days off,free insurance or LOW cost, PAY Raises , Wait till you get a yearly review that they rate you so LOW that you have get NO Raise. You want to be treated like CRAP. GO INTO Supervison

Teamsters quit your whining please. There is more to worry about then Local 190.

Like i'll said before teamster local 190 is dead in the water they do nothing for the rank and file. like its said "PAY YOUR DUES SIT DOWN AND SHUT UP WE DON'T WANT TO HEAR ABOUT YOUR PROBLEMS"

as a route driver of over 22 years, I knew what the days off were when I hired on. I've had two days in a row, I've had split days. with all that is going on with IBC my days off are the least of my worries.

as a route driver of over 22 years, I knew what the days off were when I hired on. I've had two days in a row, I've had split days. with all that is going on with IBC my days off are the least of my worries.

yea I heard that today. lay them down

The sales reps in the pacific northwest get sunday and monday off, what is up with that? Also, now they want us to lay the Baker's Inn down? That should kill it---for sure! Any comments?

better days are coming

Actually, there are state and federal laws about when you get your paycheck. Maybe you should check that out. Call your local labor board and talk to them about it. There are also severe penalties for companies that hand out paychecks late.

Hey! San Fran....Lujan is the new area manager for Sacramento, Ca.

I recently got hired at IBC/Wonder Bread last year. I never thought is would be this bad of a company to work for. After working for wonder Bread I never won't to eat bread again, because of the way it's handled by imployees, very unsanitary. I would not give it to my dog to eat. Far as the schedule work days that suckes to. We the people are not slaves, we are human being. Who hever hurd of split off day's people do have lives after wonder bread. Management is very stupid I look forward to the plant closing very soon.

Maybe that Deb in HR isn't doing her job and management is out of control.There have been several issues adressed on this board and Deb has refuse to adress them so let the chips fall where they fall . Look this Sales manger Larry Lang in Bismarck is totally out of hand and Deb has refuse to deal with his issues one being anger and the other could be a susbance abuse problem. Deb you have let morale hit rock bottom and you don't care .you are in over your head and its time for you to train your dogs full time . teamsters local 190 should grow some balls and rally the rank and file to adress these issues that what we pay union dues for and its time for them to get off their fatasses and do something for the rank and file for a change instead of just talking tough and doing nothing but putting their tail between their legs and turning their back on the rank and file .Lapdog now is the time for you to stand up for the people you repsent and take a stand against this type of behavior or you can turn away and stand with the good ole boys and grils. you make the call

Does anybody know why big shots will be doing in Billings this week? Is it time for Deb to go bye bye? This plant used to be one of the best but company management on down have ripped this plant apart. You have people here running things that they know nothing about. The old production manager used to be on the floor with plant manager every morning looking at product. Upper management has tied the hands of the production manager so he can't run the floor proper. The production manager is a good man. If their was more like him in management the plant would be in good shape. The others just have to big of EGOS.

Does anybody know why big shots will be doing in Billings this week? Is it time for Deb to go bye bye? This plant used to be one of the best but company management on down have ripped this plant apart. You have people here running things that they know nothing about. The old production manager used to be on the floor with plant manager every morning looking at product. Upper management has tied the hands of the production manager so he can't run the floor proper. The production manager is a good man. If their was more like him in management the plant would be in good shape. The others just have to big of EGOS.

Where is Lujan going??

Where is Lujan going??

I cant see any management cuts happing here. On june 6th. Not one person in the state of nevada has applied for a route builder job. Route sales men are quiting every day. In fact right now there is an add in the paper for route sales rep. we have DMs running routes and last week, get this.......2 Hostess routes didnt get run. by the way........... did you know on Friday , Our CEO was yet in court again with his buddys? The original suits were filed in early 2003, accusing former chairman and chief executive officer Charles Sullivan, former chief financial officer Frank Coffey, and current chairman and chief executive officer James Elsesser of, AMONG OTHER THINGS, misleading shareholders and violating their fiduciary duties. WOW

I also agree that many management positions need to be replaced. Not only because they are based on friendships and not qualifications, but because some are based upon corrupt and immoral actions (especially M.B.-ask her who she's scewing-maybe her husband would like to know).

lets try not to strike, people have families to feed. Especially after all the transitions we are going through. it would be nice to comr to some agreement

the company was supposed to have management cuts in place by june 1st. they are to have NO branch managers. one division manager. {supervisor}. per ten routes and one route builder/ vacation man per ten routes. but now this wonderful company is trying to keep the supervisor who was supposed to lose his job as the route builder/ vacation man in effect " bumping "our UNION vacation man out of a job. the nerve of this outfit to try this. the grievences will fly when they do this, they are in for a fight. if they are trying this anywhere else please post what happened if they got away with it or not. thanks.

I believe IBC is already down the tubes. Merit raises came out and I was in shock about how low they were. I know all of the big money is going to the management! Who do they think makes them look good - us lowly paid hourly workers. It's all about who you are related to or who you're skrewing. I know I'm actively looking for a new job. SOAR sucks (SOAR - Suck Our Asses Right) Management wants us to suck theirs asses, right? I've never worked for a company that is so skrewed up!

Deb trained Lang so she isn't going to do anything about it. I think maybe something is there.

Hey Wayne you got that right. We should get our pay checks when we are suppose to. I bet the big cheeses of IBC got theirs.

I have worked for Wonder/hostess For over 20 years. I was trained to sell fresh product. Remember the slogan If it isn't fresh were out of business. seems like that's coming to pass. Thanks IBC for killing my business

Union benefits vs. Company benefits. Union employees do not have to contribute to get medical benefits, non-union people do. Union employees can get up to six weeks vacation, non-union employees can only get five weeks. Union employees do not contribute to their retirement plan and can retire after they work 25 to 30 years and get a pension, Company employees have to contribute to a 401-k plan thats losing money and you cannot leave until they are 60 years old. Union employees get paid on their vacation check an extra weeks vacation, example if you have earned 3 weeks vacation you will be paid 4 weeks pay on your vacation check, non-union employees do not get this. Brian Stevenson I hope you read this and can add this to your company speech that sounds like a broken record. Now who want to sign up for a non-union job I have availible?

Someone from IBC HR department has to see the unequal benefits that the union has over the company employees. Why don't you speak up. You want us middle manager to pitch this SOAR bull shit to our people, yet you rape the people you want to do the work. give us a break and at least give us the same benefits.

Seems to me that if the guy in Billings is that out of control all ya gotta do is call the police. I'm sure your HR person will address the issues when the cops are sitting in her office.

Deb maybe its time to file with the following OSHA EEOC You have refused to adress Lang anger and behavior promblems now its time to file the proper claims with the proper people. its got to the point wear someone must do something. you had your chance

It amazes me how there is so much name calling on this board. While I understand a certain amount of hostility (mostly directed at management or the lack thereof) I don't understand why route people are calling each other names. Of course there are those who can't stand it when someone has a different view of the world than they do and those people will never be happy. Lots of things coming down the pipe line. Some good some not so good, and some you will have to decide for yourself. I think some people need to chill out. Name calling is so 3rd grade.

Gee Deb I wonder who turn your ass in its about time .Look you don't do your job there are other people we can complain to.

Hey Deb I hear you are getting in trouble from the goverment. Things are just coming around on you finally.Like the saying says what goes around comes around. Go Brian!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Hey Anonymous! Are you proud that you still get up in the middle of the night after all those years. You will never amount to a pinch of puppy shit. I get to work around 7 A/M and then try to figure out what a dumb ass like you has done to screw up our company this day. Are you Gay? Sounds like it with those terms you use.

To: Anonymous--S---A.. Nice talk! I hope you don't kiss your wife or girlfriend, or boyfriend (your in California) have to be careful around you California people. We don't condone that back door stuff up here in the Northwest. I agree with the guy from Sacramento...YOU ARE REALLY STUPID and probably do not do your job. Lakewood

Lap dog is the Billings plant really being sold in june. does that mean we will be nonunion plant . gee morale seem like its at the all time low. What do you think about all the rumors out there? Can anything be done about Deb in HR she does not care about anyone but herself. PLEASE RESPONE

Looks like it is time for the standard public service announcement: Any product inconsistencies, missing filling, missing buns, missing doughnut etc should be taken back to the store from where you purchased it for an exchange or refund. The store will then get credit from the routeman. It is quite simple, you get (for example) and apple pie with no filling, take it back for a refund to the store you purchased it at, as opposed to going online to demand how to get a replacement or refund for $1.29 or whatever, also asking what actions will be taken to forward a missing gem to your address is patently ludicrous, look at the item when you buy it, a missing gem is obvious and you can pick up the one beside it. When you buy a cd from Wal Mart and it does not play right do you write the music label and demand satisfaction? Of course not (unless you have entirely too much time on your hands and enjoy in wasting it) you take the thing back to Wal Mart and get a replacement. This return policy works for IBC products as well, think people! Product inconsistencies are reality in EVERY business and EVERY company. For those crying their Twinkie, HoHo, Zinger, loaf of bread etc was not up to snuff and they will never buy again, apply that self defeating stance on every item you buy, soon you will be baking your own bread, growing your own vegetables, milking your own cow, weaving cloth to make your own clothes in a house you built powered by electicity you generate with a handcrank you built out of sticks and rocks (sometimes the steel is not perfect either) and forget about a car, they have safety recalls and don't always start you know. Also, if you buy an item out of date from a vending machine, call the guy that owns that machine, IBC route drivers don't service those, if we did the contact card on every machine (by law) would be the local IBC office, as opposed to Bill Jones Vending. Look for the card and call HIM, after all, he fills the machine and is responsible for the dates. THIS PUBLIC SERVICE ANNOUNCEMENT BROUGHT TO YOU BY A ROUTE DRIVER WHO KNOWS WHAT HE IS TALKING ABOUT

rats at our dumpster love the bakers inn.seven grain seems to go fast.saw a big one drag a bag under the dock.

What con artists these vp and executives are. They are using bonus incentives to cover their asses if you fail to meet theeir budgets.or/and make a bundle if you work 'tripple' hard to meet them. By the way, have you seen your budget yet. Ask your bosses when you see them???

hey suckass in sac I've run a route probably longer than you've been alive. I don't need advise from you when you see the world through your rose colored glasses. I see reality.

To: Anonymous--Grow a sack you wimp...Find the manager and become a salesman. Or---you could just continue to bawl about everything----poor you! An additional display will make you more commission...Oh! I forgot, you are an order taker.... get some balls loser...Or better yet get a job you are suited for....Uncle Sam needs you. He won't like you, but he will tell you when to do everything including when to take a leak.

stale percentage for Bakers Inn on my route is at 95%. But wait theres hope today I found out it gos on sale in 3 weeks.

BILLING PLANT TO BE SOLD THE FIRST PART OF JUNE 2004 ASK LAPDOG ,DEBBIE IN HR TOLD HIM FROM WHAT BEEN OVER HEARD IN . MANAGEMENT ANYONE ELSE HEARD ANYTHING

Ok, lets do the math here. Assistants and above will be eligible for bonus plan. This is so that they stay at their job and don't look for employment elsewhere and to attract people to take these jobs. So now I can leave my union position with 6 weeks vacation time and not have to contribute toward my medical benefits. The company plan is maximum 5 weeks vacation and I get to contribute weekly so that I can have medical benefits. Contact your HR department to sign up. Were looking for the smartest and brightest.

If I had control over what went on my truck, and the right to say, sorry got no room for those pluses. If I didn't have Manditory displays and were required to speak with store managers instead of checking in with receivers, then maybe just maybe I would be a sales person. But since the company ignores my orders and gives me what they want pushed and I am forced to take all the pluses and find space for them where they are authorized, well if you have half a brain you would not be calling me stupid and stating that I should be thankful that I have a job. This company sucks because I am not allowed to do my job. It also sucks because of suckassholes like yourself. I never said I didn't like my job, you said it. Grow a brain you spineless idiot and try to use it. I don't know where you are located, but if you think you are a delivery person versus a salesman......well you probably are just that....an order taker...wise up, that is why this company doesn't make money. They give benefits, a paycheck every week and get nothing in return but complaints...do your job stupid.

who cares if the Billings plant is sold morale is at its lowest ever thanks Deb. I think alot of the employees feel this way This ship is sinking it will only get worse

Hey Middle Man I'm not in Glendale either ,Ha Ha Ha , nor will i ever be . Thank God .... Have fun SOARing in 2004.............

Deb your ego is large . This job is just a paycheck you do nothing to earn it no wonder everyone thinks you are a back stabbing bitch they are rightthe billings plant will be sold in june then you can train your dogs full time

I don't know where you are located, but if you think you are a delivery person versus a salesman......well you probably are just that....an order taker...wise up, that is why this company doesn't make money. They give benefits, a paycheck every week and get nothing in return but complaints...do your job stupid.

Hey, I.B. ME, I am not in Glendale. I believe we will cross paths sooner than you think....you will stand out like a sore thumb......Middle Man

Everybody better watch out for first of June. There will be major company changes. Some places will close and some will be sold. How can a head of engineering run a plant? I hear that is going on in a few places. But I guess it is better than having HR managers run them. They do enough damage the way it is.

What % do you bread guys get on bread? We are hauling a lot of bread on our cake trucks now and we're probably getting screwed on the %.

Sap training was a joke. Two weeks before we go live, se still have people flying across the country to the basement for training.

to curious in Birmingham, AL, the benefits in southern CA suck. Southwest Administrators pays less than Medical (the state funded welfare insurance for the poor). That of course is when they pay. Most of the time they just deny claims. We have dual insurance, (we had to because Southwest didn't pay) and once we got that they not only continued to not pay, but they stopped paying for most of what we saw the doctor for. The cost of what the company is paying to Southwest is amazing, for what they are spending they could get real comprehensive medical insurance and dental coverage for the employees. But that would make too much sense, something that IBC doesn't have much of. This company certainly is SOARing...Straight down into an abyss.

I am curious on getting some other opinions on our employee benefits, especially, our Health Insurance.

hate to break it to you guys but you aren't salespeople. Yes it's your job title, but it isn't what you do. You deliver product.

LAPDOG do you knows who going to buy the Billings plant ? Could you ask Deb in HR since your such good friends with her maybe she know as she knows everything just ask her.

When you guys discontinue a product why don't you send the sales guys a memo explaining it and suggesting a replacement product ..........instead the route guys keep ordering and hope it will show up on a rack someday that is if its even in the handhelds...SORE in 04 Shame on u putting cake and bread on the same truck.......oh ya BYE RAY Bendoza..hope ur house sells

Lakewood and Glendale route salesmen: hang in there. i dont want to sound optimistic but im a route salesman under Biddeford and we went through the comingle. it was ugly and i hated it, however we have emerged intact. Any good salesman can adapt and will. Our routes are at least do-able, however they are nowhere near perfect. We are currently working without a contract and probably will vote to strike this Thursday. We have lost 5 grand or more per person per year for the last 4 years do to PA's alone. Its time to hit IBC where it hurts, when it hurts. Roll season is coming and a delivery disruption could just make some waves. My advice is stick it out. When you get through the comingle then you can pick your targets.

Hey dummy Billings will go like the rest if stocks go any lower. It is possible that a hostile take over or selling of plants will take over soon. So Billings person wake up and smell the coffee. It is the only way that IBC can survive.

The Billings plant is not being sold.Think about it:It makes money,the contract is up &NO ONE POSTING ON THIS SIGHT WOULD KNOW ANYTHING BEFORE IT HITS THE NEWSPAPERS.rumor on !!!!

DEB in HR should resign obviously she not qualified for the position that she has .She should train her dogs full time.

To Any Thriftstore worker: Stop doing the job for 3 and only do your job. Your RSM does not care about you he or she only wants the store to make money. I am a former employee that left the company after receiving the maximum amount of points in 6 months. The bad thing about it is all my days that I was absence was excused, but working for his company you know excused absences still get points.

Hey look at IBC stock now. Like Wall Street says IBC is the worst company runned in the USA.

I agree that management positions need to be replaced. Not only because they are based on friendships and not qualifications, but because some are based upon corrupt and immoral actions (especially M.B.-hopefully SOAR will take care of her.)

Will the company ever do anything about Deb the human resource manager? She doesn't care how she treats anybody and if you get in her way she can get pretty nasty. When her judgement day comes nobody will feel sorry for her. I really don't see how she sleeps at night. How do you think she got her position at the Billings Plant? She has never worked a job on the floor but she thinks she could out work anybody in the plant. Because of her the moral in the plant is low as it can get. She has maligned employees and other management to know end. That is why this plant can't work as a team to be successful.

I will be bidding on one of the routes in Glendale when we go combo. I B C is a real mess. Bring back C B C

What happening with the sale of the Billing plant? Who's buying it ?Also Deb you have helped management creat a hostile,retaliayory work environment that doesn't treat workers fairly and with respect it starts with the prompous attitude of Lang in Bismarck he is allowed to intimidete with foul language and anger and walk around the depots with a chip on his shoulder. it appears that he may have a susbance problem .

Hey Middle Man You may be the worlds best speller but i get the feeling you lack big time in people skills. Not to suprising though , after all, you are in middle managment. Your pompous attitude is so thick i could cut it with a knife. Not what this company needs to motivate it's sales force........Please stay in Glendale.

Hey I B Free! Is Glendale under the Sacramento umbrella? The new area manager---will damn sure square it away if it is. Middle Man

Hey Buckshot aka Lapdog what are you going to do when you lose your job? All that kissass and back stabbing you have done it isn't going to save your job. Maybe you can go to Henderson.

Hey Middle Man Why don't you tell everyone how great things are in Glendale ,Ha Ha Ha , ...The Glendale plant is a mess. I have worked there for 25 years and it has never been this bad. Why do you think that is ? Keep blaming the sales reps , that will make it all better . Now i know why most of the people i work with have No respect for middle managment......Just listen to yourself ....

Mrs. Teacher---You are so right---Some of these complainers can't even spell. How do you expect them to advance with the company or even give IBC a decent days work? So very sad that we employ the mentally challenged and call them route sales reps....Sounds like Deb in Billings must have most of the challenged in her back yard. Yes, I am middle management...

Come on stock holders if you change the players you will change the game. Why do you want to continue to loose. Get rid of the good old boys and win the game.

rumor here strike vote next week.oh well last time it was pretty cold up here.hit them at roll time.soaring high now.

Keeping the same players, will only give you the same score.

SAP training, what a joke. were about as ready to go live with this as a deer waiting to get hit with a car. I'm almost ready to give up. I can see why everybody applied for other jobs. Get ready for the melt down of IBC.

We are starting to sell Bakers Inn in Northern Cal. Oroweat is starting to worry!!!!!!!!!!

Hey, Wonder and Millbrook should be on a different truck than Hostess. They've got these crap-ass "combo" routes here. The poor S.O.B.'s who are running routes don't know whether they are cakemen or breadmen (no offense to the women, it's just that cakeperson doesn't sound right ). Cake and bread are completely different in the way they are handled, ordered and merchandised. This company has to learn the business before they can turn a profit.

here comes june...... get ready for the merge. wonder and millbrook on the same truck. dolly and hostess on another. all routes go up for bid.

Thanks Sal :)

Lang uses profane language to intimidate employees swears at employees in front of co-workers walks around the depot with a chip on his shoulder. He is obviously not qualified for the postion that he has . This arrogant attitude has destoryed any morale and bussiness this plant had in this area. Deb in HR know this is going on and just looks the other way good job HR

Do not worry IBC has lots of money and it will take a long time to file chapter 11 so hang in there working people.

I had $2,094.43 in stale bakers inn.....you win.

Did anyone have more than $2,105 dollars in stale from Bakers Inn this week? I must be the winner

I w hat has happend to this company IBC is falling apart there product sux....... The codes on cake sometimes comes in with the the same dates for days ...... HOW are you supposed to keep your stale in line .......and this company wonders why its the shape its in ....... programe sour what a joke....

I heard that the Billings plant is so F_ _ _ed up that they are not going to sell it , they have decided to just give it away . So far , no takers .......Bummer !!!!

35 Bakers Inn in--34 Bakers Inn out.

Hey Creamy filling....before you try to find out who is responsible for the filling in the Twinkies, maybe you should find out where your local continuation schools are and go back. You spell and talk like a 3rd grader.

Who is buying the Billings plant? When are they taking over. Are they union ? If so do they have too honor the current seniorty list? What the unions position on these changes?

Who is buying the Billings plant? When are they taking over. Are they union ? If so do they have too honor the current seniorty list? What the unions position on these changes?

What is the management team going to do when plant is sold in June? Upper management is screwing lower management around when it comes to vacations ,weekends off ,and health insurance. All the floor foremen and supervisers are so scared of losing their jobs.They use to think it was funny but they better be sweating. It is going to be dog eat dog to keep your jobs. I don't know how the white hats can take the way they are being treated. Good Luck to one and all.