Anon Buffalo.. I spoke to the pension fund. They said nobody is getting $3500 a month for 20 yrs. Not one location in upstate New York is contributing that kind of money from IBC. Your talking out your ass!!!

Boonie, your thought on this, at the beginning of BK the SoCal Profit Center was #1 in IBC. As the months go by, and according to the Company, the profitability just keeps evaporating. At what point is it the CEO's responsibility to turn it around? I was a 24 yr employee and we never heard that the SoCal center was in trouble till 6-8 months before the rug was pulled. If I,m the CEO, after I see trouble 12 to 16 months in a row then I'm sending one of my best men to fix it ...PERIOD! They had a Cakeman in charge and you guessed it ...Hostess made $ and Wonder didn't.Alvarez dropped the ball and when Jung came in he gave up on So Cal because when they let Cooper go they NEVER replaced him..for 10 months or so. Here lets just have D.Willson babysit till the end! You've made a lot of good points so i'd like to hear your take on this. Thanks,Tom

Booneville, again you are clueless. Yes SoCal was loosing money when closed. But it did not lose money until SOAR came along and put the Glendale, Slauson, and San Diego plants and Glendale sales together with Pomona and Hostess LA. As a matter of fact, Pomona and Hostess LA when left alone, where the most profitable operations in IBC every year. SOAR screwed it up, and A&M came in and made it worse by pulling out of VERY profitable business. Not a personal attack to you Boonville, but you just do not know the true facts regarding SoCal.

BOB: New boss, "MURPH"? Since when does investing less than 20% of the net value of a company entitle someone to become a "new boss"? See? That's where your union is selling you out. Volpe is willing to make deals with the devil in order to not have to face Craig Jung. POMONA: Lost 3 million in sales? Did the amount of those "lost sales" (3 million) equal what it would cost to keep those four bakeries up and running, and the sales group putting product on the market? Hardly. SAN DIEGO: If you cannot figure out that exiting an unprofitable market, where it was costing MORE to produce, distribute and sell the product than we were making on sales, then it is clear you do not understand business. BOB: Do you really think Ripplewood is trying to "buy" IBC? Not hardly...not for 100 million dollars, anyway...go back through my previous posts and see what it would cost Ripplewood and your new boss "Murph" to "buy" IBC.

Booneville, you are clueless. You talk about the big savings from losing 1300 jobs in SoCal......How about the $3 million plus lost in weekly sales with those 1300 jobs?? DUUUHHHH

Hey Booneville, your boy Jung hasn't done a thing except lose more money.That, he is good at. Closing a big operation like SoCal Wonder that was "losing" money should have helped stop the bleeding. But as we know now,the bleeding continues and eventually we will all be on the street. Your continous propping up of your god Jung takes away all your credibility. Time for you to crawl back into your hole.

I Did call Central States How could your pension be that much? Different locals ?27 years Wonder Bread 53 years old If i left today $953 a month go in 2011 $ 2217. I asked for a statement to be mailed...

HI.... SCOTT , LONG TIME NO SEE. TAKE CARE OF YOURSELF. GOOD LUCK!

Cooper Bad Management !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

PTM was put in as a last resort.Murph (the new boss)said he would not do PTM unless the company was still losing money. down the road.It will be tried with non union sales rep and it must work before it is implamented any where else. The 15% in equity is only when the company is worth something.15% of nothing is nothing

Anonymous why don't you use your real name....pussy If you have another job go...don't let the door hit you in the ass.The proposal is from the union not the company.It' was made so someone would buy a company that lost $129million last year.

DD; Look at it this way...did IBC ask for the $1000 drag? Nope. Your International is prepared to give more out of YOUR pocket. That's not good representation. Your International publicly stated PTM will NEVER work...they would never agree to PTM. Yet they agree to PTM. Now look at it from the company's perspective: lets' say 3500 RSR's give up the first 1000 drag. At an AVERAGE of 9% commission, thats $90 per RSR, at 3500, that's $315,000/week. At 52 weeks, that's $16,380,000. Which SEEMS like a large sum of money, UNTIL you figure out that in retrun for that sum, the Union demands 15% EQUITY in IBC. At the CURRENT valuation of IBC at 580,000,000.00, "15% equity" is equal to 87,000,000.00. How crazy would IBC have to be to be willing to give up 87,000,000 in equity for a little over 16,000,000 in "savings" on the drag? Now, let's look at the implementation of PTM: I'll bet we could find at least 100 RSRs company-wide, who have 25 years of service, right? Each of those RSR's would be entitled to $600 per year, or $15,000, at 100 RSRs, that's $1,500,000. It would cost IBC that much and MORE to replace 100 RSRs, train them, and have them up to the speed of the 100 employees we would lose. That shows you BOTH sides of the spectrum...how your Union is trying to "give" more than the company asked for, and how the Company is viewing that proposal....

Bob It's 415 a month pay cut, thats what I get. With the company proposal, thay said PTM would not be here for 2 years. You all are will to go with the all might union and take a 415 dollar a month in the meantime. For what? Just to say that Jung did not win. What a bunch of dumb idiots. I already have another job lined up. You all are just too stupid and lazy to find one. I am not going to work every Monday for free

of the 215 mgm. jobs that were to be cut about a year ago , that wern,t. at a cost of lets say about , 45,000 a year . pluse ins and pension,that is close to 130 millon a year , that they are still wasting. boonville if i am wrong tell me some names that were let go. i know that they have hired some more mgn. jobes here.

Boonie,on one hand you say the union proposal is not enough(drag) then you say the union is selling it's members out,CONFUSED?we're letting you bozos try ptm,only cause we know it's not going to work,and the drag,sounds ok to me,i can use the extra mula bula at the end of the yr or at retirement time.WOW,that really sounds like the're selling us out.

springfield,27yrs and thats all you got?you must be a Fritos worker with no pension,i've got 20yrs in and my last statement was 3,500 month,you shoukd call the pnsion fund just to make sure cause that sounds way off.

OK...one of you geniuses explain it to everyone...let's see if you've even got it right. No grievances or arbitrations concerning WHAT?

Alexander,on a TRIAL basis.you'll see and besides ibc is all but done,no more money,no more credit help,thier Cooked.Ripplewood to the rescue.

Jungs proposal... No arbitration, Non union part time workers.IBC can change the way the products are distrubuted at will.Remember No arbitration.If PTM didn't work the only think the union could negoiate (sp)is wages.How could the union or we agree to this.You would chance putting this company out for good for $100 a week.I can't wait til some of you try to get another job.This is our last shot to make this work for our future.what don't you guys get?

Kansas city,then you tell me how Budwieser,AT&T,State workers,Ups all MAKE money with UNION workers?it's the shit ass product and corrupt board members is why we don't profit.why do you think Ford and Chevy don't make money anymore?SHIT ASS CARS,recalls all the time,brake downs all the time.Toyota,Nissian,Huandi,Honda,hardly ever brake down.Great cars.so quit you BS talk about it's union this and union that crap and tell it like it is.You don't have a clue on what makes a company money.

No is see 415 a month. When was the last time the teamsters even won a grievance for us. PTM will be here in two years anyhow.

you SEE>>>w/jungs plan YOU are giving up your given right as a TEAMSTER !!!THINK ABOUT IT !!!

OK for those of you who don't understand>>>the differance between jungs proposal and the IBT is w/ jung there would be no grievances>>>there would be no arbitration.THINK ABOUT IT!!!!!

IBC needs to go away. Their next stop will be eBay, start gathering up anything of value to sell.

What the heck is up with that alcoholic Randy Vauk again?? Info. needed. Is anyone else tired of his working only 4 hours a day. Can't believe that they let a butthole drive a company car. Heard he is poking more than the twinkies in the thrift store.

Got my teamsters magazine in the mail today. Not one word about us, all you see is UPS. Go to hell you mobbed up union. You sold us out.

Albert.The regular RSRs would have to clean up the mess made by the execs if they were on the routes, so no thanks.

FYI...IBC puts $340 a week per sales rep into our (local 550)pension and welfare fund.

Bad management put us in this position.Nothing more .Nothing less. 900,000 a year for a CEO who knows NOTHING about the industry. Great job IBC!

Hey Albert...F*** Off.

it is sad to see so many be so discontented having so much....... you have good jobs, good pay, good bennies, yet bitch so much....... especially since the economy is tanking, and so many will lose theire jobs...millions..... and yet most will not lift a "real" finger to save the ship.... i think all execs should be paid NO MORE than the best paid "little guy" for the next 5 years or until the company is dept free and in the profit zone.... that would help. second, no more comped cars and all travel done economy class, third, all company exes be required to do deliverys one day a week so they are touch with what is real., and no more comped stock let them buy it like i did... i grew up in bakeries and now own one, very small, but i make everything and i face my customers, and i clean up,,, i am also a IBC stock owner, and i can not believe that the "wonder" is gone from this company, that she is losing the "twinkie-l" in her eye, heck maybe i should put in my app for CEO... come on folks, pull it together already!!

do you know how much ibc spend on pension plan, health insurance and gas each year for ibt members? 200 millions. Flowers, george weston and other companies do not have that expense. That is why they remain profitable even with high commodity price. It's not because their breads are better or they have better management.

ANON/San Diego: Open your eyes, and look around you. Craig Jung has inplemented some things that ARE in fact saving this company money, or the losses would be HIGHER. We are paying less for medical for BCT because they are paying part of the cost. we are not paying wages to 1300 people who were hit inthe SoCal closure. We are saving money on wages with the wage cuts BCT took. There is also significant savings forecast in PTM. Do you recall that Craig Jung indicated that he needed roughtly 60 million from the Teamsters and BCT? 20 mil in benefits costs? While the majority of BCT's savings ARE being realized, the majority of IBT are NOT, because of the current situation. there are measures already being utilized and measures yet to be utilized that will affect those losses each month. without those measures ALREADY in place, those losses would have been greater. Crawl back into your hole and keep thinking you know what is going on.....

Store owner: Coca Cola, Pepsi, Little Debbie, General Montors, Ford, Lever Brothers, Johnson & Johnson, RCA Records. & every other business in the world gives discounts for volume selling. Why pick on IBC?

hey anon kc diesel at 4+ a gallon how are independents going to save the company money.

Another 16 million lost! Whose fault is it now? The thrift stores were the problem so they closed some of them. Then the routes were the problem so they cut or consolidated them. Then it was so. Cal.,( for years was the most profiable)so they closed up the entire bread operation. Still a 16 million dollar loss. DUH, maybe it is the management, all they have done with them is change some titles and collect BONUSES while the workers are asked to take pay cuts, pay for bennies, etc. When will the judge see that this management is just taking what they can get. They have no intention or ability to bring IBC out of this mess. Now Alvarez's company is selling the real estate assets of his former employeer? Come on judge, wake up!!!!

car payment 385.00 month house payment 875.00 month household bills 375.00 month { elect water cable phone] personal note 185.00 month cell phone 165.00 month food for family of 4 640.00 month now how can i continue to support my family we have used our savings to try to keep our bills paid will someone help my union rep will not return our phone calls ive been with this company for 23 years someone please help

Store owner: You're the one who's nuts if you think IBC has control over what store's can charge for their product.

Everyone from the IBC board members to the janitor in the plant has had a fast one pulled on them by Slick Jung. This guy has NO clue on what, where, and how to run a company like this.He has not implemented ONE thing in his tenure that you could say,"wow this guy knows what he's doing".This guy will eventually depart with a shit load of money and the company will have nothing to show for it. Remember SOAR and the $50 million it cost the company? Same thing. Hey Judge,make a call NOW. Close it,sell it,break it up.Do something,the BS is OLD.

I am going to rub my 2 cents together and buy 4 shares of ibciq.

Hey EINSTEIN, this company is all about RELATIVITY!!!! How do you think we got here.

The bottom line is none of you fucking losers know what's going on with this company. You can keep guessing until your blue in the face, but the right guess is that whatever deal is going too go down is already done. It's like a baseball game when the score is 20 to nothing, you still have to play the nine innings even though everbody knows the game is over. That's how bankruptcy works. Now that you've heard the truth, bend over and take it with a smile!

Will you boys quit fighting? You don't see any of the other relatives that work for this company fight. We all have a great thing going here, DON'T MESS IT UP!

The only way ibc becomes profitable and leaves bk is to implement independent operator business model. Even ptm will not save ibc; they will reenter bk again. When jung proposed ptm 8 months ago, price of wheat is only about 1/2 of what it is today. Even with the closing of southern california, and a smaller revenue base, the ingredient cost is higher now than 8 months ago, eventhough labour cost has decreased significantly. ripplewood's plan will save ibc about 40 millions a year whereas jung's plan will save about 65 millions, these will not be enough when ibc is losing 10 millions a month. My bet is that jung will sell ibc in parts or propose a diffirent business plan that will include independent operator business model.

If age plus years of service equal full pension benefits, why not take the pension at age 50 something and get another job? You will have more than what you have now and be done with the stupidity that exists at the plant.

Lonnie: Don't make me mad. The only thing that was true in your last post was HAS BEEN and thats what you are!

JIM BROCK does only what I tell him to do! That is way it is going to be and always has been. You will see April 1 st. I am NO Fool!

I would give up $10,000 a year just to get a new management team instead of these assholes that are running the company now.If you wanted to you coudn't run a company into the ground any faster.

Dear IRS Go back and read what I wrote...Without stealing.HeHe

You'd better hope that Charmin is looking to buy IBC. The stock holds more value as fecal retention paper, than as a traded stock. It’s either the buy of the CENTURY, or insiders are trying to get max value, and bail. Watching IBC struggle is like watching a sibling in hospice. At some point, you realize that the pain will only be relived with the passing. Brother’s I wish the best for all of you. In my opinion, the company is using your membership to fund their bailout. In the past, companies have hit the “working man”, to fund their bail-outs. How many times have we witnessed a successful turn-around? Most companies leave the employee’s holding the bag, as they leave town with their pockets full, and promises unkept. If the company was making drastic changes, and changing the way they run their business, I could almost see the gamble. All I see form IBC is coming to the table (a second time now) and asking for relief. Do you think they won’t be back to the table again? They can not manage their business, they have proven that. At what point do you hang your price gun up, and go work for someone who can manage their business? When your competition was bleeding, they raised their prices, eliminated headcount, and maxed out route structures. Their management flexed their expenses to match income. IBC should have taken the short term pain, a long time ago.

Bob, we have been trying to find you. Please send us your Social Security number and mailing address. We have a few questions to ask you, nothing to worry about.

Boonville, Please tell us should we buy ibciq stock now @.49?

Bob , you hit the nail on the head. Anybody that doesn't like the deal..Get out, don't screw it up for everyone..

Bob , you hit the nail on the head. Anybody that doesn't like the deal..Get out, don't screw it up for everyone..

IBC stock: 1/2 cent. What is that telling you. I sure hope you idiots are'nt buying anything expensive (cars,motorhomes,boats etc.) If you are, chances are you won't have them very long to enjoy them......

For all you guys that don't like the deal..please go find a new job and stop your bitchin.A monkey could do OUR job and at a lower cost.As a breadman I never thought I would make $65,000 a year without stealing

JIm Brock to fire CSmith on April 4th. Time to start packing Smith, before the Security Guys to show up and escort you out the door, the cab will be waiting.

Rick, If you think you can get health care & pension benefits for what you pay in union dues you must be taking some kind of heavy drugs.

Enginerring dude, we dont need you. Its not company vs. management. its guys with attitudes like yours we dont need. Youre a cancer and should be eliminated. Yeah union people are faced with cuts. They wont cut managements pay. They just increase their workload. And yes they DO need managers. Or people like you would do anything at all.

Rick Buffalo...Your dues do not pay for your healthcare. Try to buy healthcare for what you pay in dues. Go to Weston, they have a dozen routes for sale in Buffalo.

Rick: I've been saying that for ages. We have a shop steward that does it so he doesn't have to pay dues. He doesn't have a clue as to what's in the contract. No one has filed a grievance in years here. And he told me if we did, nothing would come of it anyway. It's a joke. you're right about the Union dues also. If we took that same money and put it together and shopped around for a healthcare plan, we could get bennies for that. you either pay the dues or the healthcare....whatever...

To Teamsters: what has the Union done for you? Free healthcare? Any large group with thousands of members can chip in (as in dues) and buy a plan. Do they stand behind you when you need them? Or do they get behind you and push? Vote NO and shut them both out. The brands will be picked up by another company and we'll move on from there. The Union does nothing for you.

We all speculate . We should save posting for REAL info. If it's not real , It's not worth a post .

remember union members what side of the fence u r on management only cares about management and we all know they suck right todd

yada,yada,yada

Boonville,,, It seems you like rubbing salt into wounds? And ripplewood's offer is much better than jungs plan. You seem to be forgetting about have no union representation... or not even having the option of discussion! jungs plan was take it or we'll shut everything down and Liquidate!! He still is losing money every month he runs I.B.C.,,, If he really runs it at all?

Called Central States today I'am 53 years old and if i retire today I will get $953.00 a month ,27 years in If i retire in 2011 with 30 years i get $2211.00 a month..

Booneville is RIGHT about Allied Holdings, And Get this! I believe this was done in 2005, And after the employee's had to go with these consessions IN Feb 08 Allied holdings filed for Bankruptcy...

OK GUYS WHAT IS GOING, ON DID TEAMSTERS ACCEPT OR NOT. WE HAVE HEARD THEY HAD A VOTE LAST SUNDAY. WE HAVEN'T HEARD ANY NEWS FROM THEM OR THE COMPANY, AND YES, JUNG, WILL NOT GO DOWN IN FLAMES, HE WILL SELL OFF BEFORE SOMEONE MAKES HIM LOOK LIKE THE PERSON HE REALLY IS. SO IBC "FOR SALE" PLEASE BIMBO'S BUY THE SOUTHEAST, MAKE A FEW CHANGES, AND GET US BACK ON THE WINNING TRACK. THE SOUTH SHALL RISE AGAIN!!!!!

Hey Boonville,what are we Teamsters supposed to ask for? A raise?

JOHN: Still talking, with indications that something should come to light in the next week to ten days. The "devil" in the details are things like putting money into an "account" that you can take with you when you leave...the net value of the drag on first 1000 of sales...the cost of the "buyout" provisions attached to PTM...those kinds of things. Individually, members of management are wondering why the Teamsters have roped Volpe up by his you know whats yet...what with what HE offered as your spokesperson. Company is taking a good strong look at that proposal...hwow will it feel if IBC accepts, closes out the deal with Silver Point/Ripplewood, and it ends up costing your MORE than IBC asked for? For those of you who don't understand what I am talking about, go and look what the Teamsters did with Allied Holdings/Yucaipa. Allied Holdings never asked for a 15% wage cut from the Teamsters, yet that is what the Teamsters offered "on behalf of their members". And you guys PAY for this?

memphis,at this point of all the crap being said,who cares if someone spelled a word or two wrong,or didn't complete a sentence properly,you got the picture didn't you,we've all spelled words wrong at one time or another,missing a key here and there doesn't even matter anymore,this site is far from PERFECT and neither are YOU.

Booneville, any updates in the talks between the company, finacial people and the union?

ANON BUFFALO,If you ever hope to be taken seriously please learn to organize a COMPLETE SENTENCE and please LEARN TO SPELL.

I told you so, years ago, Hoo ray for me im the next boonville ,now suck my dick all you fuckin assholes

Just like the pieces of a pie, the company is worth more in pieces. Jung doesn't want to save anybody job, it's all about the money ,dumb fuck

HEY BOONIE,THEY ASKED US TO REPRESENT THEM NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND,YOU BROUGHT THIS ALL ON YOURSELFS,THEY JUST SEE WE'RE STRONGER THEN THE WHIMPS THAT SLEP THEIR WAY TO A BS PTM SCHEME THAT HAS YET TO WORK IN THE BAKING INDUSTRIES.THEIR UNION DID THEM WRONG AND NOW ARE ASKING FOR OUR HELP.AND I DOUBT TEAMSTERS WOULD DO ANYTHING ILLEAGAL AT THIS POINT.AND YOU NEVER DID ANSWER MY POST ON WHAT THE DEVIL IS IN THIS PROPOSAL THAT YOU SAY IBC WON'T EXCEPT.

lost another 17 mil

That was very good Jerry! LOL

Fly, I think he's a little busy trying to save your job!

jung why don't you update the co website you said you would keep employees informed .. ill do it for you asshole ..jung is planning to chop up ibc jung does not want ripplewood to invest and then look like heros when they turn a profit what a fucking idiot .get out of the way and let people who know how to make dough take control ..and boonville if you where so smart you would not work at ibc.....

jung why don't you update the co website you said you would keep employees informed .. ill do it for you asshole ..jung is planning to chop up ibc jung does not want ripplewood to invest and then look like heros when they turn a profit what a fucking idiot .get out of the way and let people who know how to make dough take control ..and boonville if you where so smart you would not work at ibc.....

hey buffalo head iam a teamster numb nuts. and im sick of hearing its always are fault. i guess where an easy target. the company hires us. we join union and they try to get rid of us. that makes total sense doesnt it .

The only excuse for this mess that made any sense was overhear at G.O. was " We can't help it. We're men.

Gumps right......start job seeking now....I often wonder if any of us will visit this sight a year from now and be honest enough to say how we wished we still had the jobs we now bitch about?? I doubt anybody will type in .....I found a job with a pension and free benefits......LMAO.... we all know better yet we all love to hear ourselves bitich. Anyone know how much McDonalds pays? Do they have a pension Plan? They must have free medical huh? Anyone left in here that believes that this company will make it? L-I-Q-U-A-D-I-T-I-O-N baby.

Run FORREST RUNnnNNNN Remember this: It's always better to look for a new job when you sorta still have one :)

ANON/BUFFALO: didn't they tell you that it is a violation of the NLRA for a Union to raid another Union while that Union is under contract? There are strict rules regarding dcertification of labor organizations, as well as interfering in the collective bargaining process of certified representatives: (C) forcing or requiring any employer to recognize or bargain with a particular labor organization as the representative of his employees if another labor organization has been certified as the representative of such employees under the provisions of section 9 [section 159 of this title (A) where the employer has lawfully recognized in accordance with this Act [subchapter] any other labor organization and a question concerning representation may not appropriately be raised under section 9(c) of this Act [section 159(c) of this title], http://www.nlrb.gov/about_us/overview/national_labor_relations_act.aspx

Fried Chicken and The Pope After watching sales falling off for three straight months at Kentucky Fried Chicken, the Colonel calls up the Pope and asks for a favor. The Pope says, "What can I do?" The Colonel says, "I need you to change the daily prayer from, 'Give us this day our daily bread' to 'Give us this day our daily chicken'. If you do it, I'll donate 10 Million Dollars to the Vatican." The Pope replies, "I am sorry. That is the Lord's prayer and I can not change the words." So the Colonel hangs up. After another month of dismal sales, the Colonel panics, and calls again. "Listen your Excellency. I really need your help. I'll donate $50 million dollars if you change the words of the daily prayer from 'Give us this day our daily bread' to 'Give us this day our daily chicken.'" And the Pope responds, "It is very tempting, Colonel Sanders. The church could do a lot of good with that much money. It would help us to support many charities. But, again, I must decline. It is the Lord's prayer, and I can't change the words." So the Colonel gives up again. After two more months of terrible sales. The Colonel gets desperate. "This is my final offer, your Excellency. If you change the words of the daily prayer from, 'Give us this day our daily bread' to 'Give us this day our daily chicken' I will donate $100 million to the Vatican." The Pope replies, "Let me get back to you." So the next day, the Pope calls together all of his bishops and he says, "I have some good news and I have some bad news. The good news is that KFC is going to donate $100 million to the Vatican." The bishops rejoice at the news. Then one asks about the bad news. The Pope replies, "The bad news is that we lost the Wonder Bread account." -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home.

What is Charlie Smmith going to do as Jim Brocks assistant, polish his shoes?

ever since they put fresh bread in the thrift stores, it's been all down hill! Put the returns back in the stores instead of having 3 Mexicans fill up four trailers a week. Will somebody also tell me why this co. does'nt lease tractors and get rid of these BULLSHIT mechanics. The whole way of doing business is really a joke.

no way,at our meeting,they said YOU will be a TEAMSTER real soon,don't bite the hand that feeds ya,and moron,we're not giving back anything,the drag money will be put into a SAVINGS of some sortyou guys asked for teamster rep,now you'll be one..

its the teamsters who wont come to the table. its the teamsters giviving back way more than the company asked for. its the teamsters fault. its the teamsters this the teamsters that. snibble snibble cry cry . shut the doors and say good bye ive had enough.

you fooled us,the bct is what caused all this BS man,they f their workers and everyone else who works under a contract by signing all our jobs without ever even thinking of talking to the STRONGER union.their in bed with ibc,ptm won't work in our industry(bread cake).thats why teamsters agreed to TRY it out first down south.they know it's not going to benifit ibc,they(the board members)are all FRITO people.clueless in the bakery biz,7 day codes,10ft of space.your only going to be a pt worker with ptm,plus down to 5%,pay your own gas(4.50gal)pay your health,what better does that sound to you?your not losing 100wk,it's going into a fund(savings) that will be yours when you leave or at the end of the yr.tell your wife to get a job to help.

boonie,what MORE does ibc want?what's the holdup?teamsters are giving $115,00 a wk plus the CHANCE to implement ptm.the ball is in your court,PICK ONE or get the f out.like i've said all along,we're dealing with CHILDREN trying to run a billion dollar industry.what now does ibc want teamsters to give into?what's the DEVIL in the contract that is making ibc sour ?

Birmingham Red Neck. Can't wait to put your little chestnuts in my nut cracking mouth and spit them out bukaki in you face.

Senora Swallows...get off this board! That is uncalled for.

My experience on this board is that unless you hear someone say anything, then don't believe anything you hear second hand.

Name: we need new bosses Date: 2008-03-23 Location: Location:Jamaica, NY Comment: i went to that local550 meeting, the way i understand it is, when i b c exits bankrupcy, that is when 9000 of us employees can file for bankrupcy,if we vote yes we are cooked if we vote no we are fried, sounds like a no win situation, maybe i should do what volpe said, buy FRESH bread from the thrift store, and sell to new accounts on my route on wednsdays make up the 100$ drag ///////////////////////////////////////////////////////////Another example of the union's long standing attitude toward the company. For a national leader of the union to encourage THEFT by rsr's clearly shows how low the teamsters organization has fallen.

Called my union rep. and he told me that the union is justified in asking for the 1000 a week drag because this would only be putting us making the same money as we were before the last restructures. What a joke.

ANON/JAMAICA: BCT's contracts are done and in place. If Teamsters end up giving MORE than BCTGM did, they won't be forced to make additional givebacks. If Teamsters end up giving up LESS than BCT did, BCT is entitled to the same givebacks Teamsters get.

John....what about the BCTGM members...will they have to except the new deal put in by the Teamster/Ripplewood team?? 11th hour has not been very helpfull for us rank and file members!

I put in 2 applications last week and got one return call. $13 per hour and $42 a week health care premium for 70 / 30 coverage with $1200 life time dental...Unreal! I truly believe the teamster leadership goofed by not dealing with IBC! Volpe is just like the captain of the titanic....only he is jumping in the retirement life boat. His tough talk that changed recently to we must give more should of happen a year ago when we still had a chance! See you all in the unemployment line.

JOHN: I am privy to the majority of discussions taking place regarding the future of IBC. As I said, Silver Point, Ripplewood, and IBC are working toward getting something done to save IBC. The problem with the whole scenario is that it will require extensive review of how it will affect our current business plan, which in all likelihood, with Ripplewood's additional cash investment, should be positive. The potential cog in the whole thing is still the Teamsters....as I pointed out before, there are "items" contained in Volpe's proposal that have to be looked at...their economic impact on the business, and how those items affect the Company's ability to maintain a positive cash flow. The devil is in the details of the proposal, and how far the Teamsters may or may not be willing to modify the proposal. As it is written, though, there is slim chance that IBC would accept it. However, could it be modified to the satisfaction of both the Teamsters and Company? That's what they're discussing. I believe that somewhere in between Volpe's proposal and the Company's proposal is a landmark where both can say that they are satisfied with the results. It's just too bad that it had to wait until the 11th hour to be discussed. The other clear issue that has to be addressed is the vote of creditors on the company's business plan. We still require official approval of the business plan in order to move forward. Unfortunately, I don't think that anyone is going to hear anything concrete until just before the April 23 hearing date. I cna tell, you, though, that unless there is a "deal" in place that IBC can tell the court it only has to put the finishing touches on, there isn't going to be another extension. The Company has to be prepared to tell the court on the 23rd either it's a "go" or "no-go". I believe that if IBC can get agreement witht he Teamsters done by the 23rd, you'll see a couple of things happen: a recommittment on exit financing, and an extension of DIP financing designed to get us to the emergence date, which would probably be in the second fiscal quarter of 2009 (Sept/Oct/Nov timeframe.).

Booneville, we hear nothing from our so called union reps. The only decent info is from you. I dont know how involved you are with the discussions but, what is your opinion on the survival pecentage of our company?

JIM BROCK to promote C. Smith Apr. 2nd. Things are getting brighter!

Only 7 days till JIM BROCK takes over! I can hardly wait. Its going to be great. What will all you BROCKHATERS do now! Yay!!!!

ALLDONEALMOST : I totally agree. Ripple/JP/Silver...they have all the reasons NOT to pour more money into this. The only reason I can think that they may even consider it is to try and recover some of their past losses. However, I think once they seriously crunch the numbers they're going to see it's just more good money after bad and they'll decide to cut and run. Write it off. Jumping in now would be the equivalent of paddling out to the Titanic armed only with a 5 gallon bucket and thinking you'll be able to bail all the water out and right the listing, perforated, ship when the only thing above water is the stern.

THE COMPANY IS TOO FAR IN DEBT FOR A TAKE OVER AS FAR AS REFINANCING. THE TRUCKS ARE OLD AND THE EQUIPMENT. THEN THERE ARE THE UNIONS TO DEAL WITH AND THE RETIREMENTS AND THE MEDICAL AND THE HELP. GOODBYE EVERYBODY AND GOOD LUCK. I HOPE THAT YOUR PLACE IS BOUGHT BY THE GOOD GUYS. AT LEAST I WILL BE ABLE TO START OVER AND HOPEFULLY WE CAN RID OUR SELVES OF WORKERS WHO ARE JUST ALONG FOR THE RIDE.

Do you think JP Morgan/Chase is going to step in now? After all they shelled out for Bear Stearns? I don't think JP is in the rescue business. Last time I checked I think they and most leave that to the Fire Dept. and EMT's. I think they're gonna pass on this one. They've got money, but I don't think they have enough risk capital to invest in Stearns and us. We're hosed.

Jim Brock takes over April 1st....... Yay!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

O.K. all you half wits.....Look at the position we are in.....thanks to our leaders not trying sooner to work with IBC (which I agree sucks) we will all be watching what little we have now go on the auction block. We should of followed bct's lead and tried to live to fight another day, BUT NO...we had to play tough only to cave and suggest we give up more then ibc wanted to begin with...sad day my brothers! Volpe....you are going to retiree soon....was you trying to take our jobs with you? I could of lived with path-to-market and the couple of bucks a week for insurance....now I am pretty sure you ruined any chance of that ever happening....Flowers,Bimbo,Western, entermans....anyone who may look at us....Please take it easy on us....Please!

So What.

BOONEVILLE, Ark. - An explosion at a meat packing plant on Sunday caused an ammonia gas leak that forced 180 people from their homes, but none of those working at the plant was injured, emergency responders said.

Why thank you,Pomona, CA

You go Dirty, My Man

April 23, is just another extension,,, Blah, Blah, Blah..... Blah, Blah... Who cares,,, I could use a vacation... Blah, Blah, Blah... And all the rest!

Boone,FINALLY

JOHN: IBC is still talking with JP Morgan Chase and Silver Point/Ripplewood regarding DIP financing and exit financing. Plan is to have a determination by April 23 on what is going to happen with Teamsters/Ripplewood. Company is stil looking at the Teamsters' proposal, and discussing with Ripplewood. Company is likely not going to accept as it is, but use as a focal poiint for ongoing discussions with the Teamsters and Ripplewood. April 23 will be the last effort. If there is no agreement with Teamsters Company is not prepared to attempt to continue to try to save company. At that point, the Company will be liquidated, with sale of assets/brand names to highest bidders.

WE WILL ALL KNOW WHAT IS GOING ON SOON ENOUGH, I THINK IBC IS TRYING TO SELL OFF SOME OF IT'S BAKERIES FOR THE STAND-ALONE PROGRAM, I MAYBE WRONG BUT IT SEEMS TO BE HAPPENING, PLEASE YOUR COMMENTS ARE WELCOME, IF I AM WRONG LET ME KNOW. BUT I THINK I AM RIGHT.

Booneville, Whats your comment on Daves comments on the bank? What are you hearing about the investor talks. Is this deal going to get done? What have you heard? Regardless of what others might think ,you seem to know what is going on.

hey anon what the fuck does that mean. those sentences dont make sense

Dave, where am I going to find wives to pork now? This has been the best pick up place I've ever been in. All these guys putting in 12-14-16 hours of work everyday to keep this IBC pig afloat has given me many porking opportunities. Oh my, what to do now?

i am a cake men was a breadman tell the sold the bakey and give the bread away to sara lee and the drop it .i make more money sale cake then bread no pullup in afternoon and have more time it home. but they are try to come back with it with out truck to haul it on they cut up all the bread truck and make cake truck why.

Thank you Dave for the insight, The chopping block is ready for IBC

hey just to let everyone know my uncle is over for easter he is very high up in jp morgan chase bank in ny city he told me to find another job before the summer. ibc will be taken apart this is not bullshit this is true so everyone start looking if you haven't been I never posted on here before but I just want to let my fellow workers know what is really going to happen..good luck ang god bless..

bite me,i would but i have my face between your old ladies thighs.

I hope everyone has a nice Easter Sunday. We'll be back at it Monday. I'll still vote NO... And I still don't care for the poor management we have. But let's give it a day of rest. Good luck to all. And good luck to your families.

New trucks my ass lenexa,uncle craig and his henchman rogas are oneof the same ,Theres something up with schiller ripping out the fuel tanks?WRITE up these pieces of junk you sign the ticket in the end as a driver even if they refuse to fix anything per uncle bob rogus or your liable .Jung is a two faced liar who could care less if you got injured or hurt someone else so he,s got his flunkys doing his dirty work while filling his pockets with your money.We crossed the line as far as safe work enviorment !!!

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hey guys..look at your last few paychecks...see what you brought home after taxes...now take at least 125 dollars off that # and thats what volpe wants you to bring home to your family...Jung is sure happy......

Mr Jung, penis pumps are not allowed in the Board room the hissing sound is to distracting this is why your being replaced

Pomona, You know you care,thats why your so angry and keep tuning in for some good news. Hope it will arrive soon. Hang in there buddy.

IBC - Who gives a rats fucking ass? Blah, Blah, Blah.

JJ..Buffalo. Shut the _uck up and go stick your head in a snow bank.

People, it gets worse. If they havn't made you ride aroung with a gps, they will. Massive restructures after.

i went to that local550 meeting, the way i understand it is, when i b c exits bankrupcy, that is when 9000 of us employees can file for bankrupcy,if we vote yes we are cooked if we vote no we are fried, sounds like a no win situation, maybe i should do what volpe said, buy FRESH bread from the thrift store, and sell to new accounts on my route on wednsdays make up the 100$ drag

News Flash.................... Craif Jung is going to be replaced by Jim Brock. Stay tuned for further details

BOB,do you really believe that?come on man,it's a household namebrand,it's not going to happen,vote on what your heart tells you,not with the scare tatics.

X,you don't know that for sure.they haven't decided yet whether we'll see it at the end of each yr or when we leave,so stop speading rumors.at least it's not going to ibc correct?

John,your no union man,your a SCAB.

John,your no union man,your a SCAB.

John,your no union man,your a SCAB.

Biddeford. What business is this of yours? Is this person your supervisor? If so, why don't you just ask him/her? Be up front.

looking for info on a supervisor that was in nc and now is working in biddeford. what happened to this guy did he get laid off. whats the scoop.

How do you spell IBC = LOSER

Hodgkins, Craig Jung has stated several times that he wants to update our trucks...and our handheld systems because they are too old. He also said IBC needs to re-focus its safety efforts.

boonville how many part time at ibc you should know this if you are in management

To TFA, or Jason Turner: I'd be interested in hearing anything you might have on recent harrassment lawsuits against IBC. I was recently suspended over nothing and I'd like some 'history' to go by, such as people being fired and or suspended just to reduce costs. Thanks.

Booneville, How much of this talk is correct? How close are we on the exit financing? I have been a union man for a long time,but,cant they just void these contracts anyway? I am tired of all these half breed teamsters gumming up the process. The company has been more compasinate then the union.

So who is going to explain to me how "investing" $100 million dollars in a company qualifies you as the "new owner" and gives you "buyers" rights to the company? Yeah, ol' Boonie don't know what he's talking about...seems like Mr. Volpe sold YOUR souls for his own self-promotion. And you find out that Craig Jung will STILL be in charge. Only difference is, they bring in a Kraft guy to run the day-to-day operations. And IBC's BOD is supposed to give up THEIR right to hire whom THEY feel will best run the company for less than 20% of the value of the Company? Yeah, ok...Like I told you, IBC is still talking with Silver Point and JP Morgan Chase regarding DIP and exit financing. Hang on to your seats, people...the ride ain't over yet!!

Need all of you teamsters help,can you please take time out and go vote for a teamster daughter in a rascal flatt singing contest. thank you.the site is on this page.............milkrocks.com/rascal-flatts/index.html

WHO CARES WHO BOON DOGGIE REALLY IS? I'm just like sailors and whores, I dont give a FUCK.

I hope all you idiots know by now that Jung is working for Alvarez and Marshall team ripping this company off blind.

Heard today that money from $1000 drag goes to the Teamsters. They will use it to invest (probably with ripplewood) . Sure you get your money back when you leave the company but only what they took. Meanwhile, teamsters made a ton of money with YOUR money for FREE. I would rather keep my money and decide what to do with it myself.

Bob Kern is a FAT piece of Shit.

Name: Anonymous Date: 2008-03-22 Location: Location:Denver, CO Comment: booneville is a woman ! I told you that long ago. she used to " post '" from alexandria now she is boonville. she is jane miller ! just ask her .=========================== Jane, you ignorant slut

close the doors vote no do you want to work for free? Is jung taking a cut or any other mgm.?? I dout it always rsrs who always carry the load well not this time!!! VOTE NO!!!!!!!!!!!

If the ripplewood silver point deal goes thru,they will put there own team in charger except for young but Murphy will be the guy in charge.Ripplewood is puting 100 million of there own money which will be lost is the company goes belly up.So at least they have something to lose.

Volpe told 550 last night.. if were turn this down they WILL liquidate the company.Period! If whats left out of the $200 million is gone before any deal is done .IBC will have to liquide,Period!There will be NO strike!We will disapear like other bread companies.Have fun paying your bills on NO paychecks.

wow what a meeting .silverpoint has there 5 million in pull out money ..and ripplewood is involved to get inside info on liqidation the doors will for sure slam shut on april 23 no extensions no white night nothing dick . its over no more dip money no emergement money light out partys over fat lady is singing . geuss volvpe shouldn't have cursed jane miller out during first round of talks ah we live and we learn . we will try our luck with new owner thru liqidation...........

Wow. You seem angry. Go pull your pud and relax.

Chesty, typical breadman .....Lazy and blame all for your problems....guys like you will ruin . hostess just like you helped ruin Wonder Bread. Chesty A marine, please, No excuses but all you have is excuses

Chesty, typical breadman .....Lazy and blame all for your problems....guys like you will ruin . hostess just like you helped ruin Wonder Bread. Chesty A marine, please, No excuses but all you have is excuses

TO ALL YOU WHO THINK THIS PRODUCT IS THE BEST THERE IS YOUR FULL OF SHIT JUST LIKE THE PACKAGE. YOU THINK THAT CUSTOMERS CANT TELL THE DIFFRENCE HAVE YOU HAD A CUPCAKE LATELY. YOUGUYS ARE A JOKE AND AS FOR SPELLING WHO GIVES A SHIT THE ONES WITH COLLEGE CANT GET THIS FUCKED UP PLACE TO MAKE A PROFIT AND YOU WORIED ABOUT MY FUCKING SPELLING OR HOW YOU PUT TWINKS OVER CUPS GET A LIFE.

TO ALL YOU WHO THINK THIS PRODUCT IS THE BEST THERE IS YOUR FULL OF SHIT JUST LIKE THE PACKAGE. YOU THINK THAT CUSTOMERS CANT TELL THE DIFFRENCE HAVE YOU HAD A CUPCAKE LATELY. YOUGUYS ARE A JOKE AND AS FOR SPELLING WHO GIVES A SHIT THE ONES WITH COLLEGE CANT GET THIS FUCKED UP PLACE TO MAKE A PROFIT AND YOU WORIED ABOUT MY FUCKING SPELLING OR HOW YOU PUT TWINKS OVER CUPS GET A LIFE.

hey ,anonymous. you open your eyes the union doesn't know where the money from the drag will be put ? but it will be there when you want it ? yea sure when you give up your money it is gone .! you are not going to have a livable wage. let alone something to look forward to .

booneville is a woman ! I told you that long ago. she used to " post '" from alexandria now she is boonville. she is jane miller ! just ask her .

I was at the meeting with volpe last night. If ripplewood and silver point don't come up with a deal.IBC will have to be liqudated.Our vote will not matter if that doesn't happen

Is Jeff Boonville?

To Hodgkins and Lenaxa: There is an unwritten rule that says that the more money Bob Rogas, or any other manager for that matter, saves relevant to his department, the bigger thier bonus at the end of the year or however that is structured these days. Bottom line: The less he spends, the more he makes. We drove one of those rag-tag pieces of shit back before bankruptcy. They were crap then, they're crap now. And if you know Bob Rogas as we did, you would know he could give two shits about anyone driving ibc crap. But then again, that's what he is...

Yo cakeman,why don't you explain to us just how we all should put out cake.don't even tell me you stand cups up on their sides.THEY FALL OVER,if it wasn't for the damage boxes,which make them uneven and fall,you might get away with it.even so the company don't want you to put them on their sides cause the cups are laying flat inside and sideways they tend to shift causing shit cups when customer opens it.not to mention in the summertime.plus you get amuch better packout with cups lying flat,

Guys like Chesty are exactly why there is no bread in So Cal. You can just bet that his display looked like someone threw the stuff at the shelf, that he did not take time to snug the tie, that he left damaged product on the shelf until the code ran out and probably even had off-code out there. Then as his sales went away he blamed s**t product or management problems. Now a bunch of these malcontents have been allowed to bump onto the cake side where they will not learn proper merchandising for maximum IMPULSE sales and will continue to blame everything else for thier business loss. So sad because over time they may even ruin the cake business to the point that it goes away too. Oh, by the way, I would be willing to bet that Chesty pulls out of a Valley branch. The attitude is there.

Chesty, You IGNORANT F*ck! That's exactly what I'm talking about. Keep fighting it! Use that excuse again... "I'm just a breadguy, I don't know shit". You are part of the problem. You don't know schematics, rotation, stickering...etc. How's that 11th grade education working for you? Or are you so pissed that you forgot how to spell? Do your job and look at the numbers. Hostess buyers will remain loyal. ENTENMANNS buyers will stick to that product. Check out your percentage of unit sales compared to theirs. Maybe you are actually an old Dolly driver with an ax to grind... Poor Devil.

Chesty, You IGNORANT F*ck! That's exactly what I'm talking about. Keep fighting it! Use that excuse again... "I'm just a breadguy, I don't know shit". You are part of the problem. You don't know schematics, rotation, stickering...etc. How's that 11th grade education working for you? Or are you so pissed that you forgot how to spell? Do your job and look at the numbers. Hostess buyers will remain loyal. ENTENMANNS buyers will stick to that product. Check out your percentage of unit sales compared to theirs. Maybe you are actually an old Dolly driver with an ax to grind... Poor Devil.

Re: Lenexa, KS............I used to drive out of the Northwood bakery. I filed a grievance on the fact that someone had pulled an out of service tag and used the tractor. I felt this tractor was unsafe for our highways. I talked to supervisors about this incident. Ron Durbin and Dick Coutcher started following me 4 days later and fabricated a story that I stole time. I have since proved that they lied. Now I am waiting for my arbitration date of April 11th and then onto court for I will be seeking damages. As for junk trucks, I lost my son in June of 2006 due to a junk semi. I do have a court date on that , as well, of August of 2008. Junk equipment kills and management lies when they want to terminate you.

plans for what shutting down the whole norheast. i dont think this company is that smart. there bluffing to make us think it doesnt matter what we do. just think for one minute who would deliver to all the stores. mom and pop and then do set ups for the big chain stores it wont be mangement thats for sure. i do believe if the bakers go on strike we wont cross the lines at least i wont.CAN ANYONE SAY OLD SCHOOL STRIKE TACTICS.

Concerned cakeman your a fucking idiot. How can you say that route guys destroyed the bread. Shit bread shit sales you dumb ass have you tried donets compared to entemans. You think that stacking it like bread is the problem your just as stupid as booneville. If you could pay for something that is better for the same price you would buy it no matter how you put it on the shelf. When will you all understand as long as you sell shit no one will buy it. No matter how you put it on the shelf how manny times you go to the store nobody whants to spend thier money on SHIT. That is the problem but hey its the rsr we get paid to much.

Enough already. Bread is not coming back to SoCal. So my suggestion is that all you former bread guys better do a better job of learniing cake. Quit banking on Hector and Rocky bailing you out with empty promises. All markets are different, and you should know that much. Now that I'm running vacations for you all, I can't believe that after 6 months you still can't figure this stuff out. I go into stores for the Millbrook drivers and you find 10 boxes of Zingers and 2 boxes of Twinkies? WTF? Then most of you are merchandising cake as if it's bread? Why are we stacking twinks and cups on top of each other like they are loaves of breads? Guys, if this is our only future, we'd better do a better job of "taking care of business". Don't kill this side of the company like you did with your bread.

Sounds like Booneville has just given us the ok to strike

So Lenexa it's ok to have an accident and hurt or maybe kill someone because your in BK .Dim wit

Oh yea Booneville is a female just ask her

To CURIOUS GEORGE WAYNE ,N.J.; WHY SO MANY NO"S ? WE GOT THE PICTURE.

SPRINGFIELD: You're wrong, unfortunately, Boonville is not a female and that person's name does not begin with a "T". Nice try, thoug.

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David Russell is a FAT USELESS PEICE OF SHIT!!!!!!!

Was anyone at the local 550 meeting with Volpe.Give me some answers.

Was anyone at the local 550 meeting with Volpe.Give me some answers.

your right about booneville being female, her first name starts with a (T)

Hodgkins. I understand your frustration, but disagree with your comment on Bob. I believe there may be improvements in our route trucks if we make it out of bankruptcy and I'm sure there may be something about this in the business plans which must be approved by the court. Peace.

open your eyes,the $5,200 from the drag will not be given to ibc,it will be put in a fund or savings,you'll notice in your check stub just how much will be put away,it will show $100 per wk that is put up.the union told us the're not sure yet what type of plan it will be put in but it Will be set aside.when youleave it goes with you.

Bob Rogas should be the first one fired for putting the public in danger by not fixing these trucks,as head of the transport repairs this guy is a bafoon --there i said this in god forbid someone has a accident because of this no fix policy. Is profit worth more than lifes bobby!!Theres a couple other management types also in on this no fix policy.Duct tape in not a fix bob

OLD HEAD: Look at the date your contract EXPIRED. How long did you work WITHOUT a contract? Ask your BA what "impasse" and implementation means. What you're being told is that they are HOPING that somewhere down the road, they will be LUCKY enough to get an arbitrator to determine that there wasn't an "impasse" (which is unlikely given the negotiations history) and throw the contract out, in which case the company can then do what it did with Biddeford and Wayne. You wanna strike? Go ahead...there's contingency plans in place for that.

hey boonville,have u heard who is buying pomona,an glendale bread plants?

Duh, Boonville. You have all the answers and no life except this website. According to our BA's lawyer, we have no contract in Philly. Where is your law degree from? We're still waiting for Biddeford and Wayne to join us in a bakers' strike.

jason turner!!!!!!!!!! i can only say to you vote the way you feel. ok. if you want to give up another $5300 to a company who has not showna profit in over 3 years go ahead.do you honestly believe they will make 200 million profit to eliminate (drag) if they are losing 15 million now. when is the 200 million profit suppose to come. and according to what i am being told that 15%into a fund is if they are making money. now maybe we are hearing 2 different things. if giving . and since to clarify i dont really understand your 135 thing. i am in route sales and the drag and insurance amouts to a cut of $115 a week in my pay. THERE IS NO SOLID PROOF THAT WITH THIS SAME MANAGEMENT TEAM IN PLACE(WHICH IS WHAT THE PROPOSAL IS) that we can turn a profit. can i just say THE CONCESSIONS SHOULD BE SHARED EQUALLY AMOUNG TEAMSTERS, BTC, AND ALL NON UNION WORKERS. ITS A PRETTY SHAKEY AT BEST STATEMENT! in exchange for the drag .all route sales reps. will share in a teamsters equity sharing plan and receive 15% of the companies total equity. consider as teamsters we will be conceding a total of$1,485,00 dollars a week in concessions. that counts the $55 dollars from over a year ago. I DID THE MATH.

Well,we finally had our great leaders(union reps) tell us what this drag thing is all about.OK,sure we give up 100 bucks a week but it's not totally lost,at least we're getting it back when we decide to leave this joint.look at it as a Savings account,i am.as for the $15 turning into $30bucks for the copay,the co will eat the first $15 so it really stays at $15.not to shabby for health coverage.$5,200 a yr in a saving plan is not a bad thing people.and as for ptm,it may be implemented in 2010,but only if it WORKS,which it WON"T.and if it does bye bye drag.like the guy said,if they think that bread and cake need 7 days service,it's not going to take very long to service,think about it,these are all ex frito people,they own the chip asile(100ft space),we're as we only have what a total 12ft between the two.how long can it possibly take.oh ya,welcome aboard biddiford,it must be nice to get into a real union,not one that's in bed with jung.it shouldn't take to long for the switch over.

Boobville...if we DO still have money, then why doesn't Corporate approve engines we have on order??

merlin; very well stated. and yes some stress causes remarks not really meant to be printed for others to read. hence i respect your opinion and hope things work out. i can remeber when this was fun. dont you? here in maine those owner operators from mostly westin people. 5 routes are for sale. so glad we are not owner operators. you take care. no more wise ass remarks from me.

Open your eyes....Nor do I want to get into a "pissing" match. Everyone is pretty stressed out these days because the future is really uncertain with this company. That is where we need to focus our attention to is the FUTURE. I am not here to "bash" the company for this is who I work for and really want to see them survive. The proposal that the company has in place in their eyes is the best for THEM. Not you nor I. Our represenatives are trying to get the best deal not only for the company but ALSO for YOU and I. Yes I am fully aware of the last few contracts have not been very good in our pocket TODAY. But they have been good for TOMMORROW. As you said You work your "ass" off. You sir are "special" As you know there are not very many people who can do your job and do it well. The union KNOWS this unfortunately the company for some reason considered us "disposable" We are looking ahead to our tommorrows and I sure hope there is one. And if not we went down fighting. The company will finally "get it" when they find out there are not that many 'special" people out there who will work their 'asses' off for what they are offering.

Hmmm, pretty convenient that the Bankruptcy sign on the Pomona Plant says the lot is available from a company called Alvarez & Marshall..... Ya think it could be the same Alvarez... I will give you 3 guesses and the first 2 don't count! LOL

Emporia and the rest please call 1 800 IBC DONT GIVE A SHIT the great jung will answer. He will say that employes are over paid and need to take cuts and that guy will get a bonus. the great booneville has spoken.

He$$ this is calm for Csmith, at least he stopped **cking the accounting girls in his office day in and day out. He does like the ones with big b**bs.

Thats OLD news you guys are saying about Smith. Ive been hearing about him for years and his crooked and lying ways!

Yes Charlie Smith is another one who has been sucking this company dry for years and doesn't know his ass from a whole in the wall.

Hey C Jung - why do you not look and see what Mr. C Smith is doing with his company vehicle or why our maintenance budget is so far out of wack - it sure is not for tools/parts being purchased for our bakeries within the SCPC. Since you all are to blind to see let me explain it. The car is headed to St. Louis Today so he and the Mrs. can spend time with his daughters and their grandkids and also make the annual stop and check on the son that he hates. Oh don't worry he will stop at the one gas station on the way and check the rack - therefore he has verified the market -and he will make it look good by reaming the sales department in St. Louis since once again he has changed the plan-a-gram for the shelf. Secondly, you better check his garage for all of the tools that were purchased and never seemed to come into the shop here. He learned this one from Pat Buck and the excess concrete for the Emporia plant. Why do you think all of the good and quality managers have left this plant and profit center they are tired of seeing him steal this place blind. you want proof - go ask D Yust and he will show you the invoices. (Second thought don't Dan the Man is covering for him as well- not sure how much Dan has taken as well out of Emporia).

JOHN: DIP financing is in place until June, 2008. Company is still talking with Silver Point and Rippleood, but have not heard anything this week as to how talks are going, what ripplewood's intentions are, etc. It's actually been pretty quiet on that front this week. DIP financing is still in place and available for us to use. There are currently talks going on w/JP Morgan Chase to release and/or extend additional finacing IF NEEDED. No one has sounded an alarm yet that we are "out of money".

they have extension till june 2 but the problem is there is only 30 million left out of the 200 million dip . jp chase will not extend anymore unless there is an anoucement of a agreement with ibt.stick a fork in this pig there done..

anon in pomona are you for real. Have you had any one of our breads and tasted it against oroweats bread. What does your house have I bet it wasent wonder. Your a joke our product was shit why do you think customers left. Was it because some rsr didnot put it on the shelf was it not managements job to check the market. Shit product shit sales get your head out of your ass. All it took was for you to tatse the product.

Booneville,did,as a previous poster said, JP Chase deny the DIP extension? Also, what are you hearing about the negotiations between the investors. Please realize that not everyone on here is made of the same cloth as Dirty Sandwich and the fly from the dumpster.

Booneville,did,as a previous poster said, JP Chase deny the DIP extension? Also, what are you hearing about the negotiations between the investors. Please realize that not everyone on here is made of the same cloth as Dirty Sandwich and the fly from the dumpster.

Booneville,did,as a previous poster said, JP Chase deny the DIP extension? Also, what are you hearing about the negotiations between the investors. Please realize that not everyone on here is made of the same cloth as Dirty Sandwich and the fly from the dumpster.

So what exactly is it of VALUE, that "your" plan, aka Volpe's proposal, has, that is of any VALUE to IBC What exactly about "your" plan, is it that IBC has to agree to? You guys STILL do not understand that IBC is not bound to honor that agreement in any way, shape, or form, unless it WANTS to. No one...Ripplewood, Silver Point, or the COURT, can force IBC to accept that proposal. That thing simply is not worth the paper it is written on until IBC says it is.

weberguywhoallwaykickedassonwonderlosers - Now this is a guy who obviously was a positive part of the consolidation of IBC asnd CBC. And he will tell anyone who will listen for 5 minutes about what a great bread man he is. Well, his assertion that IBC product was worse than anyone elses is pure bulls**t.. Anyone with any experience in the wholesale baking business will admit that the product being baked today is not as pleasant as it was 10-15 years ago, but that applies to every company equally because they have all gone with enzymes that produce longer shelf life. The competitors in So. Cal. just kicked the crap out of the "great" RSR's that were so worried about who was better Weber or Wonder that they forgot to SELL something. Those losers lost a market and thier jobs.

AKRON; BCTGM's contracts vary somewhat, but all follow the same premise...wage reduction roughly 3% in first year, roughly 1.75% increases next three. in addition, roughly $20 per week increase in benefits, with no more than 10% increases next three years. No additional contributions (increases) to pension plan for life of current extension, ability for union to give up pay equal to pension contribution increase; profi sharing at 10% of EBITDA in excess of 150 mil. for fiscal yrs 06, 07, 08, 09, 10. Wage amouns may vary somewhat because of wage scale at a particular location. BCTGM never posted the package like the Teamsters did.

It's finally nice to read posts where the employees are getting it. Absolutely right, if Boonville who is pro company and anti union is trying to push a plan across to the IBT that "costs us less" there is obviously more to it than the money. Read the fine print is absolutely right on!

Mr. "open your eyes", What contract are you reading? The one the 135 voted on was a $15 increase for the extention agreement, which ends in 2011. There is another $15 increase for the modification agreement, which goes from 2011 to 2014. I was curious where you came up with the $115. All together with our current $20 in insurance premium payment I will pay a total of $50 in 2011. If you can find a better premium with better insurance with a defined benefit plan (ie; your pension) I would suggest you quit and go for that job. Also there was mention of the loss due to the $1000 drag. Has any body explained the reduction and elimination of the drag when the company comes to profitability. At $300 million profit for the year the drag disappears plus you get a profit sharing dividend check. The 15% equity goes into an account for you and you recieve that upon your retirement or termination. This is a decent deal. I could care less how you vote, but be aware there is no better offer.

"eddysbreadman - That's what IBC is trying to get down to paying you - what you are worth. Conversely, with PTM, they would have the opportunity to pay SALES people what they are worth and DELIVERY people what they are worth. BIG difference between the worth of the two. Most posting on here are surely DELIVERY people. Just objectively read the attitudes that are voiced by these posters and THEN objectively determine if these posters seem to be the type of SALES person you would hire to represent you. The downfall of IBC is past hiring practices of field personnel. Management cannot run fast enough to correct the shortfalls created by the DELIVERY people in the field." Your an idiot anon in Pomona................Do you really think that the problem is the "delivery" people. I'm sure some are peices of shit but most are good people who do good work. California went away because the product was TERRIBLE and sales slid down down down for a decade or so. WHO'S DECISION WAS IT TO DESTROY THE BREAD AND CAKE RECIPE'S SO THAT NOBODY WANTED TO BUY THEM ANYMORE......................you guessed it UPPER MANAGEMENT....................FUCK OFF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Since BOONEVILLE has convinced me, and sure some you others that he is "inside" the loop, and part of the management team. It just make perfect scene, that the fact that management has the largest part in screwing this company up. It also make perfect scene, for all employees not to want to follow the PLAN that management is wanting to pass. What reason do we have now to think this plan won't fail, as have every other plan management has ever had. My advice would be, if BOONEVILLE is pressing the company stance so hard on this board, it must be designed to screw us somewhere down the road. He says the union plan cost us more out of pocket today. But down the road is where we get screwed The devil is in the details. READ the fine print.

Booneville is not a man she is a female can you people not see that

You all would be suprised at the number of Dist. that IBC already has. I have access to the info in the SC profit center and there are 100's of them in this area alone. I have heard upper mgt. comment that that is the most profitable rts we have.

TFA- There are a ton of dist. who work in the dsd business. The only rule is they have to be completely independant. The company cannot control every thing about them, just whats in the contract.

merlin sorry i reread your note. you said something about a measly $20 a week. iITS NOT $20 MERLIN THE TEAMSTERS WANT $115 A WEEK. YES THATS WAY TOO MUCH. i have gone to 2 meetings and yes its $115 aweek not a misquote from me.

hey mr. merlin, not going to get into a pissing contest with you. you just go ahead and vote your yes and give them $5300 ayear more on top of the $2500 a year ago. so your saying concessions of almost $$7800 is ok. and its a good thing i know i have maxed out the most i can get or i would tell you to kiss my ass on being called lazy. but from what i read on here sometimes whomever they are want bitter words. i am not bitching i just state the facts of these teamsters. from the last 2 contracts additions we have lost out shirts. unless you know different this is not a bunch of consessions from IBC its concessions from the teamsters. not even ripplewood yet is involved. ripplewood is waiting to see if we give up these concessions. not sure about the area of sales where you are but nooooooooo there arent ways to make up the difference here. its a war outthere. its becoming a price issue now people buying. so IBCs specials have to be competitive. lately the have been getting better in the supers. but the small mom and pops are hurting us badly. by these i mean the chain store mom and pops like 7-11 types . sorry you dont agree that the teamsters have cut us short badly in the last 3 years. and this lastest proposal is an insult. you can do some work for nothing for IBC if you want to but i want to get paid for only the work i do. not give back $115 a week. only time will tell!

BIMBO USA in serious talks for the purchase of Pomona and Glendale Plants

It's Wednesday....Boonville is spending alot of time on his computer again......Almost like a routemans day off!

Dirty great job quoting Emiliano Zapata he was a great hero and leader.

To COLUMBUS , OH. CALIFORNIA MEXICAN; The reason I do not any balls is because your WIFE prefer mine than yours . She wants a real man.

Can someone post a link as to what the BCTGM contract with the company is

Hey Wayne, NJ,..... I'd rather Die on my feet than live on my knees!

Yes, I agree....Dirty Sanchez = Joey Stitszel

I have to leave for work so this is my last post for the day, unless I get to the shop and the doors are locked shut. We should all know that everyone agrees that concessions are a part of emerging from bankruptcy. The question is really did the Teamsters failure to talk earlier hurt the company to the point where it is now to late? Time will tell all of us! Does any one out there really think all of the parties involved are going to some how come together and make this happen? Get Real Folks! I know I am hoping somebody out there is intrested in the NorthEast! Western...Please look at us...PLEASE!!!!!

?????? why is wonder bread under george weston bakeries in the new reset for april in stop and shop supermarkets. ITS HAPPENING WAKE UP..teamsters are not dealing with ibc cause there dead men walking jp chase did not extend anymore DIP money there down to there last 30 million they will lose that in a month...its finally almost over ibc has run out of lives..

Mr. Boonville, Lets stop being childish and give us your name. Stop trying to inform or misinform people without telling them your true name. I decided it was best and I have nothing to hide. Come on be a man about it. Are you afraid people will know what you are really about? If you are really knowlegable and want to do what is right, than you wouldn't be afraid of people knowing your true identity. Please for honor and manhood, tell the truth and quit hiding behind your town's name.

Mr. Boonville, I must appologize. I didn't respond to your issue of the independent contractor model for route sales. Let me explain the "truth" as to why Craig Jung did not do the contractor model. It has to do with extreme liability (ie;IRS,NLRB...) IBC was already sued and lost in Washington state for overtime violations to commissioned based routemen. FEDEX was just fined $319 million for it's illegal misclassification of contractors. The NLRB awarded $250,000 to 8 contractors in Maryland for violations of section 7 of the National Labor Relations Act. FEDEX has lost civil suits in California and is under a class action in nothern Indiana. The list goes on, but I think anybody with any sense will see the "truth" to the reason why IBC chose not to go forward with this model. Thank you for responding to my post.

Dear Mr. Boonville, Local 135 members already voted on their "concessions" . I was the alternate steward for the transport drivers and was very pleased with the modifications that the Teamsters proposed for my classification. I have worked for union and non-union shops. I see the $15 dollar increase in healthcare (til 2011, than another $15) as minimal. If I still worked there I would stand to continue to get my regular raises under the extention agreement, also I willrecieve 2.5% (approx. $.50/hr) per year of the new modification. I currently made $17.15/hr and after raises will make around $20/hr. Not to shabby. Plus a profit sharing program and a program for payback to the routemen for their $1,000 drag. Plus a guarantee that Teamsters will continue to do Teamster work. This is much better than Mr. Jung's plan of outsourcing my position. Could you explain how having Teamster positions with raises and job security is worse than Mr. Jung's proposition that the Teamster jobs be replaced by lower paid non-union contractors? Remember this, I have worked in non-union shops as well as union shops. I was paying $125 per week for insureance that had a $3,000 deductible. It seems as if you are bound and determined to steer these poor fellas away from reality. These modifications are appropriate, even though I can contend that the modifictions should have been spread more equitably. For example, the thrift and office workers are going to take the biggest hit to their checks percentage wise (since they only make about $12/hr). I do know why they did hit the routemen the hardest. It is due to the fact that they are the largest number of employees in the company. By the way if you tend to think I do not care about the routeman, I must inform you I was just brought back on as an extra man running route trucks.

BOONEVILLE: How does a guarantee of all work remaining Teamsters work help a financially strapped company? How does a "severance" that will cost the company more money assist the company in saving money? How does paying less than the company proposed you pay for your medical save the company money? How does 15% equity in IBC assist the company in saving money? The exact things that IBC needs to do to save money, Mr Volpe is requiring the Company to PAY money to do!

DETROIT, read by post to TFA.

If you were right Boonville and Mr. Volpe only cared that it was only about dues, the IBT would have not objected to the original offer from IBC. The IBC proposal has so many things in it that reduces the union to nothing. Proposals that deal with everything but cost reductions. Mr. Jung knows that a union has little bargaining power with a bankrupt company and has tried to use this leverage to basically throw the CBA in the garbage can. He is not dumb, as he knows that this would never be accomplished with a level playing field. That is why you are on here so much bashing the proposal from Mr. Volpe. IBT members need to realize that while the IBT deal may be harder to "swallow", all of the cuts and concessions are CLEARLY spelled out. There is no hidden agenda with the IBT proposal. You keep saying that IBC wants less in their proposal but the IBC deal cuts much deeper than the PTM and $$ concessions. IBT members need to make an informed decision. Pull up the original IBC offer and the IBT proposal and compare them side by side. While the drag will hurt, at least the guarantee is in the IBT deal that these jobs will remain the work of the IBT. Can Mr. Jungs proposal guarantee that?

boonville, thanks for clearing that up ??

TFA: Huh? Evidently, you have not realized yet that the "tentative agreement" your International is sending to you to vote on, asks for MORE concessions/pay cuts than the Company asked for. Evidently, you failed to realize that IBC never proposed, nor did they intend to propose, anything dealing with your pension plans. In fact, IBC had to convince the Creditors Committee that te pension plans would be ok when the Creditors Committee ASKED why IBC was doing nothing in negotiations to addres the pension plans. Go and read the Equity Committee's onjection to IBC's business plan..you will see that they stated that IBC does not do ENOUGH to address the labor costs. In fact, here is the exact wording from their objection: 10. Further, the Debtors have not demonstrated flexibility when considering other means to restructure their businesses that might unlock value for constituents. Some of those alternatives include (i) implementing an “independent operator” delivery system used successfully by competitors, (ii) selling either their bread or snack operations and reorganizing around the operations remaining, and (iii) continuing to exit unprofitable markets while focusing on their profitable markets. http://www.kccllc.net/documents/0445814/0445814080303000000000026.pdf Actually, quite the opposite of what you claim is true: IBC, while recognizing the need to change work rules and potentially eliminate some jobs, was actally trying to PROTECT as many union jobs as possible. The area of the proposal you claim ruled out a grievance procedure does exactly that: but for the limitedissues of "Management Rights" ie. determinations concerning the operations of the business. It does not remove your ability to grieve a potential violation under other terms of the CBA, nor does it prohibit grieving of disciplinary actions.

If we liquidate, we will see the true meaning of FRITO BANDITO

ROUTEMAN & TEAMSTER: WHO will come back with another proposal? Your Internaional, who NEVER had a "tentative agreemet" with IBC in the first place? IBC to this day has not agreed with Volpe's proposal (which you are voting on), nor did Volpe negotiate that "tentative agreement" with IBC. WHY would IBC want to make another proposal? They already have a proposal on the table that cost YOU less out of your pocket. Funny, too, how you are now TURNING ON the person whom you all thought was a "savior" a few months back when he tried to bring Yucaipa into the picture. Remember him also saying that he had a deal worked out with Yucaipa, but NEVER told anyone what the terms of that "deal" was? Still ain't figured it out yet, that the Union's ONLY impetus in this process is the PROTECTION of Union dues being paid by 9000 members? What does it matter to THEM, as long as you are still working and PAYING dues to their coffers, so they can spend YOUR money trying to promote their political agendas?

Why is everything contingent on emergence and not on profitability (ie;bonuses)? Anybody can emerge from bankruptcy. It takes a real manger to turn to profitability. Also, I keep reading Mr. Boonville talking about labor costs being the biggest cost to IBC. Labor costs are the biggest cost to any company, union or nonunion. Plenty of companies have pension liabilities, but they choose not to pay out bonuses that would destroy the very company that they recieve their own income from. The MIP bonus, retention bonus, Equity Bonus, Appraised Value bonus, the immediate vestment in stocks for Mr. Jung alone are certainly to be valued at close to $80,000,000 if the reissued stock is set at $1.00. If the stock comes out at $.05, this would still be $5,000,000. The immediate vestment also troubles myself, since he can dump it immediately. This reminds myself of Governor Mitch Daniels and his dumping of IPL stock and all the employees lost their life savings in retirement. I also have something to say about the Teamsters and their progression through this entire process. I commend them for their effort. If it weren't for their steadfast commitment to "protect their dues" many workers would have either lost their jobs or would have taken extremely deep paycuts. Loss of pensions and decent healthcare would have been certain. The inability to address worker maltreatment through a valid grievance procedure would most definitly lead to worker abuses. I could state a lot more, but I would like to take a moment to thank the very union and co-workers that have created a great moment in solidarity. I was laid off, but am still very much pro-union!!! I thank the Teamsters everyday for the ability to have decent healthcare and an ability to grieve maltreatment. Many may have bad words for the union, but if you take one moment to think of the consequences if you were not union. I also would like to commend most of the management for a decent work environment, while there are certain things that can be improved and the business is run very inefficently, I believe the workers (management included) are good people to work with. Thank you, IBC and Teamsters for the great opportunity!

DENVER: So, in your estimation, Ripplewood, a company who is known for taking over companis to try to salvage them (and admittedly, has a decent track record of doing so, but has never worked with a company as large/complex/has as high a revenue as IBC) decided to "talk" to Bimbo/Yucaipa, a potential opponent in a bidding war, AND one of the largest baking companies in the country, and determined that they didn't need to perform due diligence on IBC, based on the words of one company who BAILED on the plan, the word of another who had a partner BAIL on them, and after almost two months of their OWN due diligence, was UNABLE to submit a reorganization plan, and the word of Richard Volpe. Evidently, your managers have not passed on the latest information, as IBC has been talking to Silver Point regarding the 12 mill payment AND a new financing package. There has been no indication from Silver Point that they are unwilling to address these issues. Can you grasp the concept of a domino effect? Do you think that quite possibly, the quality of our products that you complain about are the result of HIGHER ingredient costs, FORCING us to look at alternatives, simply because we cannot sustain another price increase? As for the "name" hing, do you recall what "name" wa used by Bimbo/Yucaipa in their documents before the Court? Does "New Baking Company" ring a bell? Face it...when Volpe announced that he had a "tentative agreement with IBC" is was done for one reason: Volpe felt that by bringing Ripplewood in, he could "force" his "agreement" on IBC, that IBC would agree out of hand to the package, just because he was bringing "another investor" on board. IBC was under no obligation to accept that proposal, and Volpe knew this. As for Labor Cost, you're right. But you also have to understand that Labor Cost is one of the few costs that IBC has the ability to CONTROL. And that is what IBC's proposal to the Teamsters was designed to do: control labor costs. When Companies go into bankruptcy, since Labor Cost is he primary cost that can be controlled by a company, that is always the first thing looked at. And unfortunately, the end result is normally loss of jobs through downsizing, right sizing, or attrition, and reductions in pay/benefits to the employees.

Hey "open your eyes"....are you a complete idiot or what...you say the union does nothing yet you say you have a "high" paying job??? you also say you work your ass off.....lol...I to work in an IBC bakery and I take my breaks every hour, screw off when on the shop floor and yes I have to listen to all the cry babies complain about how bad we have it, YET none of them leave...why...cause they can not do Better...period. We all know this consessions are comming or we are closing...stop bitching...PLEASE!!

its very true...they will never take the chance of losing their high paying jobs ...they will do whatever it takes to keep their jobs...and as far as volpe goes....hes a moron who thinks he can scare us into accepting his ridiculous offer....get lost....loser

JUST VOTE NO...THEY WILL COME BACK WITH ANOTHER OFFER...THEY SAY THEY WONT BUT WE KNOW BETTER..THE LAST THING COMPANY BIG SHOTS WANT IS TO LOSE THEIR HIGH PAYING JOBS....AND THAT GOES FOR TEAMSTER IDIOTS THAT ARE SAYING WE WILL ACCEPT THIS BULL.....JUST VOTE NOOOOOOOOOOO

for anon in denver,here is a question for you why would the company give the teamsters 15% equity in company.i am union and i think this deal is dead.the concession on our part is steap unless you work inside you get a raise.it should be the same % of give back for all.

Boonville, you didn't " read " my post. you talk out of both sides of your mouth ! according to you current IBC management are the only ones that can get the company back on it's feet no one else in the world can do this . do you think that Ripplewood didn't talk to yuciapa / bimbo before they talked to jung ? your i don't have inside information on the talks between IBC, Ripplewood, and silverpoint. but maybe the 12 million in fees has something to do with it . and i agree that labor costs are the #1 cost for this company -they are the #1 cost for all companies. and labor costs will still be there when sales go down .as is the case with IBC , our sales have been going south for years. but instead of fixing the real problem. the " quality of our products " the company chooses to blame it all on labor. if union labor costs are the only problem , then what about all the other union companies ? are they bankrupt too ?just like american cars quality went down and their sales followed. quality is the real problem with IBC , fix the problem and sales will go up and labor won't be an issue anymore. I think others see this even if you don't.as for you " articles of incorporation " you know very well they can't do that until they own the company. stay tuned news is coming soon .

Look man,I've only got 2 and a half years to go to retire and I say "F" them. I'll take my chances that someone will buy the west coast and manage us the right way.Enough of you anti-union haters out there. I don't give a crap how much you pay me and how "high the cost is to maintain me,I've followed all your orders all these years,took care of my customers,always had displays up,worked on my days off so that these displays could stay up. NO MORE! SHUT IT DOWN.

Fly, you have been landing in too many piles and eating it. Dont flies live for only 24 hours. It's about time you keal over and die, shithead.

open your eyes...You really should open them. Unfortunately the nature of the beast right now is CONCESSIONS. No matter how you look at it YOU will give them up. The unions do not run the company therefor they have no control over company bussiness. Mr. Jungs closure of So. Cal was his decision and was objected by the unions. I still believe it was "See my dick is bigger than yours." Now the company is objecting to the Teamsters proposal. You haven't opened your eyes wide enough to ask why? Although it is a hard pill to swallow this proposal is trying to keep the CONTRACTS INTACT. Why didn't the company ask for MORE. How much more can you ask for than a gradual phase out. That's what it's coming to. Remember when the companys' first offer came to pass everyone was all up in arms about it. Now that the union has bent but not broken to try to save as many jobs as possible you are crying about that. Bitch with a new rope wouldn't you? I can't help it if you really overextended yourself and even a $20.00 a week cut would hurt you. That's really to bad. Or are you one of the lazy asses that won't give that little extra to try to pick up at least an extra $500.00 a week. Maybe you are running your route with your eyes shut.

DENVER: 1) Yucaipa/Bimbo did extensive due diligence on IBC starting in Nov. 07, and by Jan 15 were STILL not ready to present a competing reorganization plan. So Ripplewood is going to prepare a plan, negotiate with creditors, receive terms acceptable to the creditors, AND do all this by April 23? Jung asked for a continuance because since the TEAMSTERS continued to play their games, it was the ONLY way for IBC to be able to investigate a) Volpe's proposal and b) Ripplewood's intentions. You could hardly blame IBC for being skeptical of anything the Teamters are doing, given the time wasted with Billionaire Ron and their inability to advise BIMBO of ALL the issues facing IBC. I posted two weeks previous to Bimbo's withdrawal that they were doing so, after being advised by IBC MANAGEMENT of the pension liabilities. 3) Were you at the meetings between IBC, Ripplewood, and Silver Point that have been occurring over the past two weeks that you have inside information on how to classify them? If Ripplewood were a potential "buyer" they would have to be identified as such by the Court. 4) So Ripplewood is also "buying" the rights to the Company's name, huh? So where have they filed their Articles of Incorporation stating so? To be identified as such, they have to do this. 5) The Company's Reorganization Plan, Disclosure Statement, and Business Plan were all presented to the creditors PRIOR to submission to the Court. This resulted in IBC's Plan being submitted with the APPROVAL of 95% of the creditors. Those 95% are more than enough to insure a positive vote on the plan. 6) Do you think Ripplewood is really prepared to "buy" IBC for approximately 600 million IN CASH, agre to settle ALL debt in cash, and then agree to accept 950 million in pension liabilities? Do the math...... 7) Again, do the math....a non-union facility, with a different benefit plan, no union pensions, a different pay scale, different work rules, and no labor contract could be run for potentially 1/4 to 1/3 the cost of IBC's current labor costs. Additionally, in a sale of the company, it could potentially be sold for more piecemeal than it can as an entity. You don't get it....you still refuse to understand, accept, and acknowledge that our LABOR COST is the number ONE cost fr this company. You really think any potential buyer is even remotely interested in acquiriing those labor costs?

Pomona,the reason we went from salesmen to your so called delivery people is because YOU are giving us Shit in a box to try and sell.store mang,know this and have totally say No to any secondary displays.i for one have given up with this co, product line.It's Garbage and garbage just don't sell my little pea brain supervisor,what's your job?aren't you supose to help in any way you can with the selling of secondary display?when we ask for one and are denied,it's YOUR job to see to it that we DO get one,after all,didn;t we pay for the Ad already?Moron,get off your extra large ass and do what your paid to do.

FINALLY!!! Thank you Pomona!

Boonville, to answer your "i'll bite " #1 Ripplewood's plan is coming,you have i'm sure noticed that jung asked the court for a continuance till april 23d. and at the same time he is making plans for liquidation ( if it comes to that ) this is to give Ripplewood time to present their plan. jung must have been impressed with what he heard from Ripplewood , why else would he ask for a continuance ? but at the same time , he has to make plans in case Ripplewood turns out to be another yuciapa. #2 the word " invester " jung used because he can't say " buyer " when he hasn't seen the plan yet.#3 the company is still going to be called IBC , that's why it's an extension agreement. #4 just because Ripplewood buys IBC as an "entity " doesn't mean it has to stay that way . but jung thinks it can be a stand alone company , why wouldn't Ripplewood ? #5 you say that IBC worked out terms with the creditors , I for one don't think they excepted being paid in stock when the company hasn't made any money in 4 years.Ripplewood and " associates have the cash. #6 why wouldn't they except the pension liabilities ? Bimbo and Sara lee have pension liabilities, I don't see them in trouble. and you said it yourself in your response to Hodgkins- " IBC would be able to take care of the pension plans and keep them intact " . #7 if Ripplewood were towait till liquidation,don't you think they would save a lot of money ? it would be a long drawn out process to dismantle a company this size without it falling apart first. don't you think the creditors would take what they could get right away and write down the rest ,rather than wait what could be years to be paid ? you see Boonville some of us do get it !

Everyone here thinks they are the best rsr ever. Why not let us go dist rts. and we can be in charge of our own future. Lets manup and separate the men from the boys.I for one think i can run my own rt. better and make more money on my own. The whiney asses wont like this but be a man!

Wiw, POMONA...looks like you will hace struck a nerve with those comments in a few minutes!! Funny, though...Craig Jung said basically the same thing about our antiquated method of sales delivery...we're operating as delivery people...much like UPS. Take an order, deliver next week...take an order, deliver next week....an so on. The term "Sales" in Route Sales Representative has all but been forgotten. Yet you will get flamed by every RSR out there who not only delivers his product, but sells TEN displays a week!

eddysbreadman - That's what IBC is trying to get down to paying you - what you are worth. Conversely, with PTM, they would have the opportunity to pay SALES people what they are worth and DELIVERY people what they are worth. BIG difference between the worth of the two. Most posting on here are surely DELIVERY people. Just objectively read the attitudes that are voiced by these posters and THEN objectively determine if these posters seem to be the type of SALES person you would hire to represent you. The downfall of IBC is past hiring practices of field personnel. Management cannot run fast enough to correct the shortfalls created by the DELIVERY people in the field.

May the snow freeze your balls. Ops, you don't have any.

DD Buffalo.. I thought Buffalo shut down years ago?

Glad to see most of us are on the same page !!! teamster leadership must be smokin crack If IBC can't pay us what we are worth and still make it then let them die !!! VOTE NO !!!!

iam asking ALL TEAMSTERS to vote NO>>>NO, NO FUCKING WAY.they won't go out of business i swear!!!!

Uh, OLD HEAD< sprry to bust your bubble, but you DO in fact have a contract. Evidetly your BA didn't let you know that IBC declared impasse in the negotiations and implemented the contract for your facility.

I will make it simple for everyone.vote no and say fuck you to the teamsters. and fuck you to ibc shove ptm up your ass.

Hey Biddeford and Wayne! Are you ready to strike yet? Send some pickets down to Philly and we won't cross your line. We have no contract either. Let's all three work together.

CLOSE IT DOWN VOTE NO DO NOT WORK FOR FREE ANYDAY!!!!!! PATH TO MARKET SOUNDS BETTER!!! WHAT A JOKE OUR UNION!!! WHO IS ON OUR SIDE? NO ONE!!!!!

open letter to craig jung we are giving you your concessions now make it work like frito lay I used to work for them the ball is in your court no excusess managment is now responable for our future .fix the product first and we can show you how to sell volpe will push concessions through MAKE PEOPLE ACCOUNTABLE FOR THERE ACTIONS and when we make a profit we will see you at the table again.......... see boonville I'm not such a scumbag as you thought ................ FLY

open letter to craig jung we are giving you your concessions now make it work like frito lay I used to work for them the ball is in your court no excusess managment is now responable for our future .fix the product first and we can show you how to sell volpe will push concessions through MAKE PEOPLE ACCOUNTABLE FOR THERE ACTIONS and when we make a profit we will see you at the table again.......... see boonville I'm not such a scumbag as you thought ................ FLY

merlin!!!! are you kidding me! The union has none NOTHING! NADA,, ZILCH, FOR THE LAST 6 YEARS. Its members like you that tick me off. go ahead give up over$100 a week. in 2 years time they will want more concessions. the only and i mean only reason we make a good pay is becase we work our ass off for. and the teamsters have nothing to do with it. last 2 contracts have been losers. WHERE HAVE YOU BEEN (SLEEPING) YOU AND PEOPLE LIKE YOU AND THE TEAMSTERS CAN KISS MY ASS. NO MORE CONCESSIONS. WHY DONT YOU CHECK WITH RELIABLE SOURCES AND SEE HOW MANY TEAMSTER JOBS THEY HAVE SAVED SENSE THIS ibc LOSING MONEY STUFF. grrrrrrr . i would hate to see a yes vote with dumb asses like you out in the sales force. have you checked your oil bill or gasoline bill lately or food bill. I work my ass off and i want all the money i earn. remember we fold and the teamsters lose over 9000 due payng memberships. this is a teamster proposal not a company one. again no easy answer but this proposal is way off base.

why are the rsr taking the hit on money. why doesn't everyone in the company take a three percent pay cut to even it out !!!!

why are the rsr taking the hit on money. why doesn't everyone in the company take a three percent pay cut to even it out !!!!

boone,Question,you say why would ripplewood or any one for that matter ever buy Union Labor?IBC did.Drakes,Nissen,Sumbeam,Hostess,Wonder,the list goes on.it's because you get what you pay for in this world and unionized labor is the Best you can get.Got it,now pay for it,quit your whining and tell your boys to stop over spending so they can start to run this co like All the others are doing,Budweiser,Bimbo,At&t,All state employees,again the list goes on and on.it all boils down to one thing,BAD MANAGEMENT.

how many RSR's work 50 + hrs per week? If you average out the hrs per pay most route people are only making about $14.00 per hr.I don't know about everyone else but OT is only $5.00 per hr. take taxes out of that and OT becomes about $3.00 per hr NOT worth it!!!

I believe the B team is Jim Brock a.k.a . Boonville.

hee-hee-hee-ho-ho. snicker-snicker. love it.

Judge ok's ibc request to do away with our contract and teamsters offer to give 10 dollars a week? HUH? We got used and abused! I hope you teamsters vote no...show us you are United or are you mindless kronies of Hoffa and Volpe?

$10 weekly co-pay, reduced medical benefits,additional prescription co-pays....just a few highlights that Volpe suggest....what happened to "tell IBC no" or "stand United"...Volpe was talking trash, once again all talk no walk. Sad day for the brotherhood of Teamsters. I want to join the food workers or bctmg they got to vote at meetings. who is foolin who here.

Unreal...we tell IBC no..."stand strong" like local teamsters ask....now Teamster leaders want to give more then what they ask us to say to?? we look like fools and teamsters look bagless. They should of dealt with IBC if they were going to give so much...what they have done is pretty much secured a liquidation sale...nice going....northeast is doomed....unfuck'n real

Attn: Brian Howell, Rick Schoenberg & Jeff Jernigan. Do any of you care that the transport bids are still not done? 2 freakin months and your jokers in the shipping and transport dept. are still not getting this done. Ryan, Vern, Gene and Ron are pieces of shit. What the hell is wrong with you people? Why is this allowed to go on? Year after year. No wonder this place is failing. Upper management, middle management and foremen. "you are all worthless morons" Its obvious that all you care about is the little world each onr of you are in. People in these positions are supposed to work on the machine to keep it oiled and running smoothley. All any of you do is let the dirt pile up under your feet. I sure hope that someone or something happens to remove you worthless pieces of shit once and for all. GET A CLUE. LAZY ASSES.

You west coasters ought to quit your crying and bitching. There was a reason IBC opted to get out of SoCal. Whether you like it or not, whether you agree with it or not, or even if you think IBC played with the books to do it, blow it out your narcissistic fat asses. Last time I checked, IBC ran the company, not a bunch of twits from Mexifornia.

The one thing Mr. Booneville has failed to mention is that the Western States Teamsters Pension Fund is fully funded.(98.8%). I think Jung closed Wonder SoCal to make the west coast look unattractive to any buyer. Don't give me this crap that SoCal was losing money,on paper you can make anything look bad or look good.IBC was doing this with the books before the BK. The sales dollars were real,I didn't know of a route that was doing less than $6000+ per week. Our depot had 7 bread routes with a weekly average sales of over $90,000 combined and we were never the top depot. What has closing SoCal done for the Company? For IBC?,nothing.For the competition?,record sales and growth. Can anyone defend this kind of leadership? Jung has no clue.

The major problem with this company is Kansas City doesn't have a clue what is going on at the local bakery level. every Bakery Manager has their hidden slush funds for taking care of their boys. Company Cars are just a small example. G.O. comes out to go on the market and the stores are stuffed everything in stock temporary displays that have no hope at all of selling are scattered throughout the stores and everything is mop and glow baby. When the returns should come back you are instructed to buy the product back and transfer it out to cyberspace so it won't affect your return percentage. These things go on at every bakery and has gone unchecked for my entire career at this company and untill G.O. starts making local management accountable they will go on forever.

Nothing but speculation , rumors & us stuck in "limbo" for 3 1/2 yrs. Out of 24,000 workers , 500 mgrs . collect 30% of the entire payroll , while our former co-workers are losing all , laid off . What a company .

No, HODGKINS< they don't go away. IBC is still responsible for them. Go back and look at the Equity Committee's objections to the Plan. You will see where they listed in their objection that they feel that IBC did not do enough to control labor costs. One thing they questioned? Pension laibilities. Equity Committee wanted to know why none of IBC's proposals to the Unions addressed the pension liabilities. IBC was able to convince them that if we could emerge, IBC would be able to take care of the pension plans and keep them intact. There are alot of things that went on that eople are not aware of that would make you think otherwise about the "screwing" you thought the Company was trying to give you. Like I said, go back and read some of the objections to the plans...it'll educate you to just ho much IBC was trying to protect the union jobs

So Booneville You keep quoteing $950 million dollars in Pension Liabilities, If IBC becomes a stand alone co WHY would they want these pension liabilities? Or do they Go Away ??????????

Oh, and by the way, DENVER...guess who has been meeting these past two weeks in New York...IBC, Ripplewood, Silver Point. There have been ongoing discussions with Silver Point to renew the exit financing.

OK, DENVER, I'll bite...when did Ripplewood file their competing plan of reorganization with IBC and the court? When did the court determine that Ripplewood's plan provides greater return on value for the creditors? I would suggest you understand the difference between the words "investor" and "buyer". Ripplewood is a potential investor NOT a buyer. Before you try to attack others, you should make sure you have the facts straight. Why would you be voting on a conract titled as an extension agreement between IC and Teamsters? You see, unless and until Ripplewood BUYS IBC, they have no right or standing, nor does IBC have to accept the Teamsters' proposal. And if Ripplewood is DUMB enough to buy IBC as an entity, they have to come up with a TON of $$$ to be able to do it. IBC worked out terms with the creditors that involves NOT paying cash on all debt due. The creditors are not required to extend those same terms to Ripplewood, and probably won't, meaning Ripplewood has to be prepared to settle the BK debt in CASH. On top of that, Ripplewood has to be prepared to accept the pension liabilities of over 950 million dollars. If Ripplewood were to choose to wait until a liquidation sale, would you please explain to me why they would WANT unionized labor and its attending higher cost? Some of you just don't get it, do you?

I've always wondered why ibc never plans for future why there trucks are all old why our handhelds are outdated etc because they new this day was coming when the bakeries and depots will be chained shut it is upon us .. no plan funding ibc only hope lies with a hedgefund who wants nothing to do with present managment. the only thing that seems to fit is a chopped up sale of ibc . chase has cut them off no more dip money no more silverpoint loan send this pig to the slaughter house ......

wheres my fuckin bonus1.5% of route average to be paid no later than 45 days from end of calander year 2007.page 5 paragraphD of the extension agreement.hourly people got theres in sept. now I want mine

Boonville, you don't seem to get it! ripplewood will buy the company. silverpoint is gone ! only thing left is ripplewood or liquidation. in either case ripplewood wins .your right the proposed agreement is not with IBC it is with ripplewood the new owners say good bye !

This company doesn't have any sales knowledge at all. We just introduced the new potato rolls in our area and there was no lead in. They do not have any stickers, nor were any available to us, just plop them on the shelf and hope that people pick them out of the myriad of products available. How is this that we can conceive these products and not think about selling them? We get banners and sign all the time in our depot, "Sell Bread, Make Dough", "Score Big Sales", but can we get any P.O.P. signs; No. Who the hell is running the merchandising and sales end of this company? Obviously somebody with no sales experience.